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Why "Not" 40 Caliber?

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  1. oldag

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    "Pe kahn" or "pe can" - heck, why not?
     


  2. oldag

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    Comparing rifles and handguns? Really?

    Well then, I'll up the ante if we are going to play silly games. Do you think it would be more devastating to your body getting shot with a .223 from a run ofthe mill AR-15 or with a 105 mm howitzer?

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  3. satx78247

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    Dyef9,

    And your PROOF is??
    (You know that "proof" that is NOT based on "some nameless expert's" THEORY, rather than actual effects of "fast moving projectiles" upon HUMAN's bodies, for example in Afghanistan in 2020.)

    There is an excellent reason that US "elite operators" NOW are acquiring .45ACP handguns again (privately), when they are issued (without cost to the GI) M9 & M11 handguns (and all the FREE ammo that they care to carry about) in 9mm NATO. = It's called "STOPPING POWER" at "close combat" handgun range, i.e., under 10M.

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    It's a comparison of small arms. A howitzer is not small arms... There's some links to good articles now, read them or don't. I honestly don't have the energy to explain anything to someone who has no intention of learning anything and continuing to delude themselves of something that's not real.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAOegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28
     
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  6. oldag

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    And I won't waste more time with someone who chooses not to comprehend basic physics and biology.

    Have a good rest of your weekend.
     
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    You clearly have no concept of physics or biology. Feel free to hit up a local community college for a refresher.

    You as well.
     
  8. Mike_from_Texas

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    IMO the 40 was a solution looking for a problem since it’s inception. Ammo was so poor back when it was created that you had to step up to a 357 mag or 10mm to compensate. Many agents found those unpleasant to shoot and of course the revolvers had low capacity so the shortened 10mm was created with similar capacity to the 9mm.

    As CC exploded all over the country the demand for better personal defense Ammo strengthened and better Ammo was developed.

    Still the 40 is a bit snappier than the 9mm especially in the subcompact gums and typically has less capacity; not ideal circumstances. The proverbial nail in the coffin for the 40 is when most LE agencies switched to 9mm.

    I don’t think it will go away but I do think it will fall into an enthusiast round like the 10mm did for many years.


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    DyeF9,

    Your submission of "expert's theory", when compared to ACTUAL combat experience of REAL soldiers in "close combat", in a single/singularly appropriate word is: ABSURD.

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  10. DyeF9

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    Yeah, I'm sure "my" theory supported by very recent FBI data is absurd. The fact that a pistol round is anemic in the first place makes your argument irrelevant. 150 ft lbs of energy is nothing. The speeds of the rounds don't make significant permanent wound cavities. It's a backup weapon in almost all cases of actual combat. Even older reports support this.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAOegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw10DVrk4SswQsgAgCh-Cf28
     


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