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  • sonuvaTXgun

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    Not sure if this has been addressed yet but just in case it hasn't, here it is:

    Soldier is first female to complete JOTC | Article | The United States Army

    Apparently, the Army is allowing women to be infantrymen (infantrywomen?). I'm not sexist by any means but I'm not sure if this is such a swell idea. The main issue with this is the fact that men are usually more physically capable and the Army is considering lowering the standard for PT tests. IMO, I believe women should have to pass the same requirements as men because I wouldn't want a woman trying to drag me off the battlefield if I were to take a bullet or flak. Not to mention what would happen to said women if they were captured by the enemy. I understand the whole women's rights movement but there are just some things that should be left alone.

    What do y'all think?
     
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    General Zod

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    Dunno if I'd use the word "inferior" - especially if there's a woman within earshot! But I will say I've known some military women, and they generally oppose having the standards lowered for them as well.
     

    sonuvaTXgun

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    Dunno if I'd use the word "inferior" - especially if there's a woman within earshot! But I will say I've known some military women, and they generally oppose having the standards lowered for them as well.

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    Another issue is that most men will have a natural tendency to be more protective of a mixed squad than they would if it were just men per the usual. It would just be another unneeded distraction, if anything.
     

    sonuvaTXgun

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    Just like men.
    Some ain't cut out for it, some will excel at it.

    I agree but they shouldn't have to lower standards to achieve that. It should be the same, all-around test to assess mental and physical abilities of all individuals involved. This is a war setting where people go to fight other people. Not a public school where a standardized test is lowered to meet the needs of those who can't meet expected criteria.
     

    Saltyag2010

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    Equal means equal. If we lower standards what does it mean? Answer- lower standards for our military. To be the best you literally have to be the best. Qualify on the same standards and be held the same as the person next to you.
     

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    Women got no business on the front lines, I am sorry. I don't consider myself sexist either. I have 2 daughters and a very strong womens rights active wife. I however served in a combatant command that integrated women and it COMPLETELY changes the dynamic of a unit, any unit. You can't take physical attraction out of teenagers, you can't discipline nature out of humans. Integration leads to more legal, and morale issues in a military unit.

    As for physical requirements, if they can cut it then so be it. If you are hell bent on it, so be it. I just ask this....make them maintain the same grooming standards as men. If a man has to have short hair because of lice and hygiene then women should to. Unisex bathrooms and showers. Might as well get that out of the way too...2 of everything is a logistical issue and doesn't serve the war fighter.

    Unisex it all, make it all equal, and the General or Admiral who signs off on it will do it knowing they are hindering your fighting ability.

    In short, I think its like putting women on an NFL football squad, except its life and death for all. The military is NOT a social experiment, people's lives are on the line with these dumbass decisions.

    My 2cents.
     

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    Equal means equal. If we lower standards what does it mean? Answer- lower standards for our military. To be the best you literally have to be the best. Qualify on the same standards and be held the same as the person next to you.

    Exactly. Like I said, I'm not against it but if they can do what men are required to do at the highest standards, power to 'em.

    Integration leads to more legal, and morale issues in a military unit.

    Unisex bathrooms and showers. Unisex it all, make it all equal, and the General or Admiral who signs off on it will do it knowing they are hindering your fighting ability.

    The obvious problem with this are the issues with sexual harassment and rape that have been so prevalent in the military. Like you said, the General will know the ramifications of this decision and should plan accordingly for any legal action that will ensue.

    In short, I think its like putting women on an NFL football squad, except its life and death for all. The military is NOT a social experiment, people's lives are on the line with these dumbass decisions.

    Right. Like I stated before, this isn't public school where requirements are lowered to be fair for those who cannot perform as expected. That kind of system is only headed for disaster by fostering weak links.
     

    V-Tach

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    All females should register with Selective Service after their 18th birthday....

    Equal should mean equal.....jmho....
     

    sonuvaTXgun

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    All females should register with Selective Service after their 18th birthday....

    Equal should mean equal.....jmho....

    So long as they can pass the same physical and mental requirements as their male counterparts, I agree.
     
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