Would this mag change protocol follow the rules?

[Wildcat Diva]

I noticed that one of my favorite firearms YouTube channels did their mag changes a bit differently.

Now they made a video to explain why.


I get it, and I’m willing to try it.
However, in competitions like IDPA and USPSA, would this get you called on being “close to breaking 180?”

 

[Byrd666]

I was always under the impression that this is what you were supposed to do "in real life".

For competition circles though, I can see how this could be a big no-no.

 

[AustinN4]

I was always under the impression that this is what you were supposed to do "in real life".

Well, yeah, how else would you do it?

For competition circles though, I can see how this could be a big no-no.

Cant speak to that.

 

[Dred]

I'm confuseded. I watched, and I'm fairly certain I detected proof that they can move feet and/or twist at the waist. They've abandoned their sight picture; they will have to bring the gun back on target. So, what do they really gain? Turning my torso sideways while I accomplish the same task gives me the added advantage of shrinking myself as a target while I'm accomplishing a reload.

What they say makes sense but I don't find any real advantage from adopting their technique versus some "safer" alternatives. If I saw this at a range, it's a safe bet I'd move myself to lanes to their right.

 

[benenglish]

So, what do they really gain? Turning my torso sideways while I accomplish the same task gives me the added advantage of shrinking myself as a target while I'm accomplishing a reload. ... If I saw this at a range, ...

The demo is at a range, yes, but I think their point was that in the real world, facing a bad guy, this technique is better for reloading while moving. They stressed that the gun, pointed up, was more safely directed no matter which direction they had to move to seek cover or concealment. That was the point of the demo where he pointed the pistol directly at the camera.

So what they gain for static-line shooting range practice is nothing except dirty looks from other shooters and maybe a disqualification from a match.

What they gain in a real-life encounter is enhanced safety if reloading while moving...as they emphasize that if you have an empty gun, you really ought to be moving.

This isn't my bailiwick so I'm hoping more experienced folks chime in. However, that's what I took from the vid.

 

[Dred]

What they gain in a real-life encounter is enhanced safety if reloading while moving...as they emphasize that if you have an empty gun, you really ought to be moving.

Fair enough. You are a better listenerer than me.

For me - my need for movement is entirely driven by my immediate progress toward cover or concealment. honestly I'm very unlikely to get 'round to pointing before concealment or cover have been located. I do admit that absolutely every direction can be down range in an unscripted scenario 'cause direction will be qualified by the threat(s).

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Thanks for everyone giving me their thoughts about this so far.

 

[Byrd666]

Well, yeah, how else would you do it?

Well, seeing as how I'm only able to use one arm/hand, I would have to say it would be quite a bit different than shown.

 

[KimoKoa]

I noticed that one of my favorite firearms YouTube channels did their mag changes a bit differently.

Now they made a video to explain why.


I get it, and I’m willing to try it.
However, in competitions like IDPA and USPSA, would this get you called on being “close to breaking 180?”

I’m pretty sure that’s how you’re suppose to reload even in competition as long as you don’t break 180. Of course I’m pretty sure the movement on the video is exaggerated a bit to explain why. I’d find a comfortable spot within your workspace to do the reload and not pull the gun so close to your face.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

^^^I think that’s a fair compromise.
Now just need to practice.

There’s at least one class monthly I go to that’s real strict about the gun pointing at the berm all the time, but we don’t do fast mag changes at that class so it won’t be an issue.

 

[easy rider]

This guy seems to have it figured it out:

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Jesus.

 

[KimoKoa]

This guy seems to have it figured it out:

Nick is a Grand Master in USPSA, He’s been competing for a long time and he’s fast. Practice enough and you’ll get to this level of performance.

 

[PRE-K]

During competition, you generally cannot engage every target standing in one spot, so you try to reload while moving between groups of targets (like you'd try to do in "real life").

You can also bring the gun "into your work space" by rolling it 90 degrees to the right (so it's flat, or parallel with the ground, and you can see the magwell) instead of rotating the muzzle upwards.

Granted, there are multiple ways to skin a cat, but sometimes me thinks folks needlessly complicate things.

 

[Renegade]

I was always under the impression that this is what you were supposed to do "in real life"..

They over-exagerated it ,but yeah:

Dave Sevigny



Doug Koenig

 

[bodhi]

I'm not sure I understand. The general process show in the OP video (and subsequent vids) is the only way I have ever been taught to reload and I;ve had instruction from 7-8 instructors over the last 15 years.

Is there another way?

 

[Wildcat Diva]

^^^
Some ranges and some instructors that I have dealt with are more concerned with “pointing in a safe direction” and seem to get bent out of shape if firearm is not “pointed down range.”

 

[Renegade]

I'm not sure I understand. The general process show in the OP video (and subsequent vids) is the only way I have ever been taught to reload and I;ve had instruction from 7-8 instructors over the last 15 years.

Is there another way?

Yes there are lots of ways. If instruction from 7-8 instructors over the last 15 years has only shown you one way to do it, you got ripped off.