Yes, Bubba can Defeat Uncle Sam

[Hoji]

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...t-armed-citizenry-vs-government-force-history

Good article.

 

[BRD@66]

"Do you know who we are fighting? We are fighting Wolverines: small, ferocious animals." - Col. Strelnikov

 

[Hoji]

"Do you know who we are fighting? We are fighting Wolverines: small, ferocious animals." - Col. Strelnikov

I get that reference.

 

[easy rider]

Matt Eckert: "But when you're fighting in your own backyard, when you're fighting for your family, it all hurts a little less, and makes a little more sense. Because for them, this is just a place. But for us, this is our home."

 

[AustinN4]

"Do you know who we are fighting? We are fighting Wolverines: small, ferocious animals." - Col. Strelnikov

Michigan lost yesterday.

 

[motorcarman]

bob

 

[Steve_In_29]

It depends on how determined and willing to take casualties either side is. And also on where the loyalties or at least sympathies of the large part of the population who aren't going to fight lie. Given the current almost 50/50 ratio in the US now, a successful insurgency here doesn't look good.

Afghanistan is kind of a poor example as the US isn't really trying to win. Until the US stepped into the fight the Russians were indeed winning and the Afghan insurgency was on the verge of being wiped out. Joining the mujahedin was seen as a death sentence due to over whelming air superiority, technology and the use of Spetznatz forces to go after the Mujh where they lived. It was the introduction of Stinger missiles by Congressman Wilson that turned things around and allowed them to kick the Soviets out.

Which ironically had we simply lived up to our promises to the Afghans at that point we wouldn't have the mess there we do now nor would 9/11 probably ever have happened.

Ignoring the Soviets near win, the only successful counter-insurgency war in modern times was the British in Malaysia. But even with that the Brit's ultimately pulled out and granted independence.

 

[easy rider]

It depends on how determined and willing to take casualties either side is. And also on where the loyalties or at least sympathies of the large part of the population who aren't going to fight lie. Given the current almost 50/50 ratio in the US now, a successful insurgency here doesn't look good.

Afghanistan is kind of a poor example as the US isn't really trying to win. Until the US stepped into the fight the Russians were indeed winning and the Afghan insurgency was on the verge of being wiped out. Joining the mujahedin was seen as a death sentence due to over whelming air superiority, technology and the use of Spetznatz forces to go after the Mujh where they lived. It was the introduction of Stinger missiles by Congressman Wilson that turned things around and allowed them to kick the Soviets out.

Which ironically had we simply lived up to our promises to the Afghans at that point we wouldn't have the mess there we do now nor would 9/11 probably ever have happened.

Ignoring the Soviets near win, the only successful counter-insurgency war in modern times was the British in Malaysia. But even with that the Brit's ultimately pulled out and granted independence.

But then again, neither of those examples are of a country turning on itself.

 

[oldag]

Lot of truth in that article.

Also, how many of our armed forces would fire on the "bubbas" if ordered to do so by some leftist president?

 

[easy rider]

Lot of truth in that article.

Also, how many of our armed forces would fire on the "bubbas" if ordered to do so by some leftist president?

That was part of my point.

 

[Steve_In_29]

But then again, neither of those examples are of a country turning on itself.

Actually they were, in both cases the communists had either come to power or were trying to. Thus dividing the County against itself.

The points are still relevant to the US as absent some serious defection of the Military (as in CW1) the insurgency would be up against the full might of a pissed off government trying to retain power.

Just as while people like to gloss over it, us Americans couldn't beat the British during the Revolution until the French joined in. We were mildly successful against the minimal forces the Brits were willing to commit (along with their ridiculous over confidence) to what they considered a minor event, while they were much more heavily engaged in two other (to their eyes) real wars.

 

[easy rider]

Actually they were, in both cases the communists had either come to power or were trying to. Thus dividing the County against itself.

The points are still relevant to the US as absent some serious defection of the Military (as in CW1) the insurgency would be up against the full might of a pissed off government trying to retain power.

Just as while people like to gloss over it, us Americans couldn't beat the British during the Revolution until the French joined in. We were mildly successful against the minimal forces the Brits were willing to commit (along with their ridiculous over confidence) to what they considered a minor event, while they were much more heavily engaged in two other (to their eyes) real wars.

I think you underestimate. First of all, you have no idea how it would be here, in the United States, if that were to happen. Second, I don't think it would be a small percentage of the armed services that would defect, and if they did they wouldn't just drop their arms and run.

 

[Steve_In_29]

I think you underestimate. First of all, you have no idea how it would be here, in the United States, if that were to happen. Second, I don't think it would be a small percentage of the armed services that would defect, and if they did they wouldn't just drop their arms and run.

Reading comprehension...it helps. That is pretty much what I just stated.

As to not knowing how it will happen here...history provides VERY good examples of how these things go down.

 

[easy rider]

Now you accuse me of not reading comprehensively? History is my passion, and one such history was the civil war. Now what this thread is talking about would be very different from the civil war of history, but just look how the Union army fared before the onslaught of civil war then. This wouldn't be a war of the south against the north and the oppressed wouldn't be a smaller fraction of the population.