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  • dmkav24

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    In this day and age of media, television, internet, etc you almost become numb to the outright appauling. We americans are conditioned to find even the most bazzar acceptable. Well my friends today I have reached my limit. I have had it with this highway robbery going on with gun prices its rediculous and were all guilty, well not all of us but most of us and its absurd, guys were suprisingly strong in numbers making us a very viable threat, but come on thes dealers are out of their mind, worse than that the individual sellers dont get me started. TEXAS GUN TRADER , BARRETT M82A1 OR M107 however, $15,000. because......." thats wat their going for on gunbroker" book price half that, and the only reason the one on guntrader was that high because it cam with 5000 rds of ammo oh and this was great austin texas dpms sass $3800, rguns.net 1700 3 week wait guys you have the control stop trying to get rich on every sale i have sold a bunch of guns and yes profit is not a dirty word i understand but this non-sense needs to stop, in this community we need to take care of one another because when to wolf come growling at your door it will be up to all of you. On that same note lets say production shoots thru the roof , obama dosent come after gun and ammo prices level, what then you the dude that ripped off your neighbor because you thought you should... yeah when this is all over I would hate to be that guy... the con, these prices are criminal, so sleep well criminals if you can
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    Texas1911

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    It's a free market, and frankly alot of people are complaining about prices because it doesn't suit their interests. Generally these are the same people that down talk subsidy and socialism in the same breath.

    Another aspect is that many sites have the expensive guns listed because the cheap ones sell so quickly. I've seen pistols and rifles sell as fast as we can log them into our ATF books, literally the customer is waiting in the store for us to put a price on it.

    This is no different than machine guns costing $15,000 for a gun that was once $2500. It's simple supply and demand. When demand goes down, the supply will catch up and the prices will drop. It's how life works.

    I'm really getting tired of people bitching about what stuff costs. It's like listening to a 4-yr old petitioning for candy at a store because he feels entitled to a reward.
     

    drj3828

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    Yes it is a free market in the country we live in but also remember these folks when all of this dies down like it did in 93. I can remember the price gougers in 93 selling hi-cap mags that where $20 for $100++ when it all calmed down alot of those vendors do not exsist any more because of the old saying what goes around comes around! I know of gun shop owners going to Wal-Mart and buying all the ammo and selling at there shop with a 60% mark up! Yes this is a free market and it is also free not to purchase from them and let other people know about it.

    I was stocked up on items already so I did not have to go out and buy the things that price gougers are selling!

    Just rember who's who's in the future!

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    45tex

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    I want an AR. Not even looking at them. Its a want not a need.
    I need to be able to pick up some cheap .45 acp every now and then to kill some paper at the range. So I fork over the money, but I'm watching. And not hording.
    When things calm down there are some stores and many vendors at guns shows I won't even give the time of day. I've been free enterprised out of the market and I will not forget the greediest. This to is free enterprise.
    We all need to vote with our feet. That is, plan a range date on the day you were going to the gun show. We can bring prices in line by not standing three deep at the gun counter to pay msrp+. If you don't need it go on with your life. Its going to take years for liberal gun control to have more impact than own own panic. Our money drives the market as well.
    Buy only what you need, let the gouging vendors choke on their overpriced stuff. They will soon run out of newbies to sell to. Those folks buy one. We would buy a safe full at a reasonable price.
    By the same token, if your treated well, do not forget the store/vendor that was there being reasonable during unreasonable times.
    If you have to go to the gun show, (and I understand that need) tell the vendor, while you hold his $300 AK with a $1200 price tag, "When times are better I will remember you and buy elsewhere." This too is free enterprise.
     

    lonewolf23c

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    Still doesn't consitute for the reasoning behind quadrupling the price on a gun, just because supply is down. The gun isn't worth anymore than it was a year ago, and I sure won't pay more for one. If the blue book value on a gun is $300 that's all I will pay for it if its in excellent condition, I'm sure not going to pay $1200 for that same gun because "Demand is up and production is down".
     

    Texas1911

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    Still doesn't consitute for the reasoning behind quadrupling the price on a gun, just because supply is down. The gun isn't worth anymore than it was a year ago, and I sure won't pay more for one. If the blue book value on a gun is $300 that's all I will pay for it if its in excellent condition, I'm sure not going to pay $1200 for that same gun because "Demand is up and production is down".

    You aren't, but plenty of people are. That is the point. The item is worth what someone will pay for it. That's why old, ratty, worn out Colt 1911s from WWII are worth $2500+, and new National Match models go for half of that.

    If it's not worth that price to you, then don't buy it. If enough people stop buying them, then they will have to lower their price.
     

    kville79

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    Still doesn't consitute for the reasoning behind quadrupling the price on a gun, just because supply is down. The gun isn't worth anymore than it was a year ago, and I sure won't pay more for one. If the blue book value on a gun is $300 that's all I will pay for it if its in excellent condition, I'm sure not going to pay $1200 for that same gun because "Demand is up and production is down".


    That's the whole supply/demand system that runs the free market system. Lots of supply, low demand... low prices. Lots of demand, low supply.. high prices. Simple economics.

    You can note this especially on surplus rifles... when a new milsurp rifle is first imported they ship them by the 10,000nds and with usually low demand at first. So when SKS's first started showing up that weren't Vietnam bringbacks... the price was LOW... like $70.00?? now they're selling for around 300.00? They're not making anymore... so the supply of unbought guns has trickled down, but the demand for them is still there... hence the price hike.

    It has nothing to do with production cost.
     

    JKTex

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    Still doesn't consitute for the reasoning behind quadrupling the price on a gun, just because supply is down. The gun isn't worth anymore than it was a year ago, and I sure won't pay more for one. If the blue book value on a gun is $300 that's all I will pay for it if its in excellent condition, I'm sure not going to pay $1200 for that same gun because "Demand is up and production is down".

    Basic Economics in a free world. If you never took an Economics class, I recommend you do.

    You'll pay what you feel comfortable paying. So will the next guy. If the next guy feels comfortable paying 4x what you do, he'll go home with it.

    I echo a lot of Alan's comments about the whining and bitching. I guarantee the same people would bitch if supply shot up and they can't find a buyer for their $500 item at $300.
     

    dmkav24

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    those buying are just as guilty, it is a free market that i understand as i said profit is not a dirty word but some of these prices are insulting for example. the px on fort hood had an ak-47 pistol less than $500 brand new, this was on a thursday saturday at the bell county expo the exact same gun was priced at $895, almost double. most of these things come from the same place and at that kind of mark up dont tell me its the market, its price gougeing its deception like i said before its criminal, worse than that. these people represent a larger group making all of us look bad.
     

    dmkav24

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    i notice the gentelman that works at reds is defending the pricing the hardest i do belive i may hav struck a cord. Im only pointing out that people are going out of there way to take advantage of the market, its hot right now. if its a gun your gonna sell it. I am only noticing that vendors and private sellers are going out of their way to take advantage of the patrons.... for those of you that would like us to stay patrons i might try better reasoning than its supply and demand
     

    Texas1911

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    i notice the gentelman that works at reds is defending the pricing the hardest i do belive i may hav struck a cord.

    I find this somewhat insulting. First off, I don't get commission. Secondly, Red's doesn't engage in "price gouging". In fact, we have DPMS AR's that came in this last week up for sale at $850. Everything get's our standard mark-up. If you see an AR for higher than normal, odds are we paid more to get it from the wholeseller, or it's a consignment gun.

    People that buy firearms with the intent to resell them for a profit are engaging in an illegal activity. The ATF defines this as commerce in firearms without a FFL. There is no way to get around this. If you make a personal sale, the gun has to be logged into your personal log book as an FFL. If you are selling it through the business's logs then you must have an accompanying 4473 form, which you don't get in a personal sale. People have been turning in people that engage in this activity and the ATF does not take it lightly.

    I believe in the free enterprise of the market moreso than the wanton desires of other people. It's what has driven the civilization of man since the earliest days of the economic system. To deny it's process is to accept socialism. Furthermore I find that 99% of these individuals have simple entitlement complexes. You are not owed anything by the market, the buyer has just been spoiled by Walmart economics for the past decades. Now that the game is being played against their desires, they are crying wolf.

    Red's Indoor would still exist and do just fine without firearm sales.

    I speak from experience in market dynamics. I've came from an industry where everyone wanted cheap, cheap, cheap, everything cheap, and suddenly the market was flooded with cheap goods from China. Vendors tanked because they have no profit margin, and the entire industry is borderline tit's up because of it. They invest elsewhere, there's nothing new on the market, and suddenly all these people that bought into the Chinese goods are complaining that there's no new goods.

    Americans have been spoiled for half a century, and now we are slowly reaping the reward of this on all fronts.

    Because there is a supply, this will blow over. The more perpetuated fear mongering involved in our political and economic landscape the more buyers are going to be pushed towards gun sales. A large portion of the buyers aren't running out there to beat Obama; many of them are wanting protection in the dire straits our economy seems to be heading for.

    This is exactly the same thing that oil did, and as we all saw, it blew over once cooler heads prevailed and the market corrected.
     

    mac79912

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    This moaning about the price's is getting old.I see the price's going because the supplier's are raising them.We have people come into the shop and ask us to not charge the tax.When will them them no they get pissed and walk out.If you can't pay then don't play.
     

    MasterBlaster1138

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    the whole thing is supply and demand. there has never been a "set" value on anything. a dollar itself is not worth what it was last year or the year before and next year it will be something different. Since somebody is paying twice what you did for the same exact gun, just be thankful you bought it when prices where on a low swing instead of calling the seller a scamer.
     

    crs2fer4

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    This is a country based on free enterprise. If you think the price is too high, dont buy it...ie gasoline...its all supply and demand. Buy a slingshots if you dont like what they are asking. Enough people agree and buy the slingshots, the price of those bad boys will go through the roof and you can buy your guns at a "fair" price in your eyes...JMO As a matter of fact start a campaign for the Slingshot Revolution. You will be a pioneer
     

    lonewolf23c

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    Basic Economics in a free world. If you never took an Economics class, I recommend you do.

    You'll pay what you feel comfortable paying. So will the next guy. If the next guy feels comfortable paying 4x what you do, he'll go home with it.

    I echo a lot of Alan's comments about the whining and bitching. I guarantee the same people would bitch if supply shot up and they can't find a buyer for their $500 item at $300.

    I took economics in HS. The whole economics crap was thrown out the window years ago, can't you people see that? Look at the state of the economy. Holy crap, if I let my checkbook go into the red ink its a terrible thing that I get yelled at for by the bank. Seems like its ok for a huge government to do that and still just go to the printer for some more money that's not worth anything anymore cause oh wait those morons stopped using the gold standard so that money that's being printed doesn't mean crap, its worth as much as if I went to my printer and made a copy of a $20 bill.

    I buy my guns when I find good deals. $3k for an AR series rifle is not a good deal. You can buy the parts and built it yourself for half that or even less if you want cheap stuff.
     

    lonewolf23c

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    the whole thing is supply and demand. there has never been a "set" value on anything. a dollar itself is not worth what it was last year or the year before and next year it will be something different. Since somebody is paying twice what you did for the same exact gun, just be thankful you bought it when prices where on a low swing instead of calling the seller a scamer.

    That's true. I bought my Colt 1911 for from what I've seen Kimber prices at a pretty good deal about a year ago for $740 with 2 magazines, cleaning kit, and case. I've seen the same 1911 pistol for well over $1k without the cleaning kit and case.

    I realize the supply and demand but after having a gun listed for a few weeks with no bids or no calls you would think the seller would pull his head out of his a** and lower the price to what it should be. People are stupid enough to pay those prices especially people that have too much money.
     

    dmkav24

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    ok guy calm down. i listed specific examples of what i was talking about. I didnt blame any vendors specificly I only mentoned reds because he squeaked the loudest. i cant stress enough i under stand economics. My only point is and was if you paid fifty cent for it and its worth $1 sell it for a dollar, if its worth a dollar dont advertise it for 10 and tell me its the market, i was in the auto industry for years and I've seen it time and time again the trucks worth 5 but because it was mine its worth 7 the numbers don lie but people often do. but I dont see any change coming any time soon and once people get their income tax checks get ready for round two. i miss the days when i could buy a box of 50 9mm for 7.00 i didnt have to buy a case to get that price... ps academy sports best prices in the state
     
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