Ukraine War and Politics

[Havok1]

You word twisting troll

Arguing that the russian invasion of Ukriane is unjustifiable and supporting Ukrainian self-defense isn't pro war. russia started the war, continues to attempt conquest, and can stop the war at a moment's notice.

There are generally a few archetypal positions on the war and only those that do not recognize the only agressor as the instigator are pro-war positions.

Why are you so against Ukrainians exercising their right to self-defense against an agressor nation?

What does popularity have to do with being right or wrong?

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I’ve never been against this. I’m against us going into debt that we can’t afford to fund a proxy war for profit and personal interests.

 

[cycleguy2300]

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[alternative]

What do you mean “the rest of us”? It’s like you and one other person arguing in favor of the proxy war. I love how you skipped right over the fact that the information in your unpopular video was basically worthless in pushing your narrative, and went straight to attacking that this is properly being labeled as a proxy war, not just by me, but those commenting on your video, and basically everyone who knows anything about this war. It’s a proxy war. Its always been a proxy war, and it will always be a proxy war. I’m sorry that you didn’t know enough to see it for what it is when you were convinced it would be cool to go all in on supporting it. It seems this is the only proxy war that you have an issue being labeled a proxy war.

I add my name to cycleguy2300.

 

[CavCop]

And what has this to do with russia's invasion of Ukriane?



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What role exactly is America playing, between Russia and Ukraine? Between energy and weapons? Did Biden shutting down American energy production, make Russia the number 2 exporter of oil, funding Putin’s war (same with Iran?). It’s not a huge secret on Trump and Biden as far as who kept Russia and Iran poor, and who enriched them, prior to the wars, that Biden/America play a huge role in.

I believe our CIA installed Zelensky, caused the war, and control the war(s). Our “advisors” have come out and put rules on the side we support. Give me some historical examples of America telling Allie’s exactly what they cannot do and putting restrictions on Ukraine and Isreal for the use of equipment. In all the wars I have dealt with and conflicts I was a part of, I have never seen America tell other countries what they can or cannot do, till Biden/Democrats took control.

I said early on, Ukraine can destroy Russian forces with the right tactics and push into the motherland of Russia, even putting rounds in Moscow. But America is just letting Ukraine grind its self to death in the Meat Grinder. Gorilla tactics can allow Ukraine to do better and break Russias front. But our “advisors” (CIA/Mil) does not want to… win. We want dead Ukrainians and Russians. We are controlling the war. We are telling them how to fight. We are giving them equipment with restrictions. I can tell you, we would never restrict our own military in the same fashion.

Imagine if a Police Chief told you, you cannot enforce set laws, you cannot go into set areas, and you can only watch crime get worse in those areas. I mean is Ukraine much different than NYC and other Democrat run areas?

Pawns are expendable, and used to protect the King. You either get it, or you you are oblivious.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

What role exactly is America playing, between Russia and Ukraine? Between energy and weapons? Did Biden shutting down American energy production, make Russia the number 2 exporter of oil, funding Putin’s war (same with Iran?). It’s not a huge secret on Trump and Biden as far as who kept Russia and Iran poor, and who enriched them, prior to the wars, that Biden/America play a huge role in.

I believe our CIA installed Zelensky, caused the war, and control the war(s). Our “advisors” have come out and put rules on the side we support. Give me some historical examples of America telling Allie’s exactly what they cannot do and putting restrictions on Ukraine and Isreal for the use of equipment. In all the wars I have dealt with and conflicts I was a part of, I have never seen America tell other countries what they can or cannot do, till Biden/Democrats took control.

I said early on, Ukraine can destroy Russian forces with the right tactics and push into the motherland of Russia, even putting rounds in Moscow. But America is just letting Ukraine grind its self to death in the Meat Grinder. Gorilla tactics can allow Ukraine to do better and break Russias front. But our “advisors” (CIA/Mil) does not want to… win. We want dead Ukrainians and Russians. We are controlling the war. We are telling them how to fight. We are giving them equipment with restrictions. I can tell you, we would never restrict our own military in the same fashion.

Imagine if a Police Chief told you, you cannot enforce set laws, you cannot go into set areas, and you can only watch crime get worse in those areas. I mean is Ukraine much different than NYC and other Democrat run areas?

Pawns are expendable, and used to protect the King. You either get it, or you you are oblivious.

Guess you never heard the term "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT " applied to our U.S. military?

We screw everyone indiscriminately....even our own.
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[Dakar34]

What role exactly is America playing, between Russia and Ukraine? Between energy and weapons? Did Biden shutting down American energy production, make Russia the number 2 exporter of oil, funding Putin’s war (same with Iran?). It’s not a huge secret on Trump and Biden as far as who kept Russia and Iran poor, and who enriched them, prior to the wars, that Biden/America play a huge role in.

I believe our CIA installed Zelensky, caused the war, and control the war(s). Our “advisors” have come out and put rules on the side we support. Give me some historical examples of America telling Allie’s exactly what they cannot do and putting restrictions on Ukraine and Isreal for the use of equipment. In all the wars I have dealt with and conflicts I was a part of, I have never seen America tell other countries what they can or cannot do, till Biden/Democrats took control.

I said early on, Ukraine can destroy Russian forces with the right tactics and push into the motherland of Russia, even putting rounds in Moscow. But America is just letting Ukraine grind its self to death in the Meat Grinder. Gorilla tactics can allow Ukraine to do better and break Russias front. But our “advisors” (CIA/Mil) does not want to… win. We want dead Ukrainians and Russians. We are controlling the war. We are telling them how to fight. We are giving them equipment with restrictions. I can tell you, we would never restrict our own military in the same fashion.

Imagine if a Police Chief told you, you cannot enforce set laws, you cannot go into set areas, and you can only watch crime get worse in those areas. I mean is Ukraine much different than NYC and other Democrat run areas?

Pawns are expendable, and used to protect the King. You either get it, or you you are oblivious.

It’s a matter of historical record that the US selected the leadership of Ukraine ten years ago while the previous, democratically elected government was still in office.

 

[Dakar34]

No worries. Russia won’t escalate if we do. Party on!

Russia warns Britain and plans nuclear drills over the West's possible deepening role in Ukraine

It was the first time that Russia has publicly announced drills involving tactical nuclear weapons, though its strategic nuclear forces regularly hold exercises.

apnews.com

 

[cycleguy2300]

It’s a matter of historical record that the US selected the leadership of Ukraine ten years ago while the previous, democratically elected government was still in office.

Where, pray-tell is this information?

The Euromaidan prompted the Ukrainian parliament to hold a vote (328-0) which removed Yanukovych from office according to their laws and constitution. Yanukovych (being supported by russia) tried to say, with the assistance of russian propaganda the vote was illegal, it was a coup etc... but the people (demos) decided who would rule (Kratos) and they persuaded their parliament to follow the law (much like our 6Jan20 Patriots tried to do).

It should be telling Yanukovych was a member of the Socialist party 1980 until 1991 when it was banned as a political organization. Yanukovych now lives in russia.

Because I it has been written clearly there is no more need for me to try to re-write what happened. BUT, even if it had been the CIA (ridiculous as that claim is) it still wouldn't justify a russian invasion for the sole purpose of conquest.

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[cycleguy2300]

No worries. Russia won’t escalate if we do. Party on!

Russia warns Britain and plans nuclear drills over the West's possible deepening role in Ukraine

It was the first time that Russia has publicly announced drills involving tactical nuclear weapons, though its strategic nuclear forces regularly hold exercises.

apnews.com

This is a good sign.

Everytime the world provides meaningful support to Ukrainian russia starts bellowing about nukes like some here do about his booty being plundered...

russia knows politically they need to look tough to the home crowd, but they also know actually doing anything would bring about their immediate destruction, which would be a loss of their power, which above all else they desire, like a dragon desires gold...

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[Havok1]

So now proxy warfare is a good thing, not just Russian propaganda.

The idea that we’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars and lost some number of Ukrainian lives in a proxy war to pat ourselves on the back because Russia is talking about a capability that has been unaffected by the proxy war would be a bigger foreign policy failure than I think even Biden is capable of.

The media has been pushing the narrative that Russia would be using nukes any day now for more than 2 years.

 

[cycleguy2300]

So now proxy warfare is a good thing, not just Russian propaganda.

The idea that we’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars and lost some number of Ukrainian lives in a proxy war to pat ourselves on the back because Russia is talking about a capability that has been unaffected by the proxy war would be a bigger foreign policy failure than I think even Biden is capable of.

The media has been pushing the narrative that Russia would be using nukes any day now for more than 2 years.

That russia has been bellowing about using nuclear weapons since their second invasion began in 2022 any time the international community provides meaningful support to Ukraine is the point.

It means the support will put a strain on russian agression.

And Ukraine is neither acting nor have they ever acted as a proxy for western governments. Simply recieving aid doesn't make you someone's proxy, any more than me paying for a friend's lunch makes them my proxy. You say you've never spoken against Ukraine's right to self defense, but then you use language directly plucked from russian propaganda designed to discredit Ukraine and erode the notion they are a sovereign, free nation fighting an agressor.

 

[Havok1]

That russia has been bellowing about using nuclear weapons since their second invasion began in 2022 any time the international community provides meaningful support to Ukraine is the point.

It means the support will put a strain on russian agression.

And Ukraine is neither acting nor have they ever acted as a proxy for western governments. Simply recieving aid doesn't make you someone's proxy, any more than me paying for a friend's lunch makes them my proxy. You say you've never spoken against Ukraine's right to self defense, but then you use language directly plucked from russian propaganda designed to discredit Ukraine and erode the notion they are a sovereign, free nation fighting an agressor.

so the AP article that you were just cheering on is now Russia propaganda. Got it!

 

[cycleguy2300]

so the AP article that you were just cheering on is now Russia propaganda. Got it!

Quote the text you are referring to please. I realize my intellectual abilities probably seem like magic, but I assure you am not psychic.

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[Havok1]

Quote the text you are referring to please. I realize my intellectual abilities probably seem like magic, but I assure you am not psychic.

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Text bolded below.

That russia has been bellowing about using nuclear weapons since their second invasion began in 2022 any time the international community provides meaningful support to Ukraine is the point.

It means the support will put a strain on russian agression.

And Ukraine is neither acting nor have they ever acted as a proxy for western governments. Simply recieving aid doesn't make you someone's proxy, any more than me paying for a friend's lunch makes them my proxy. You say you've never spoken against Ukraine's right to self defense, but then you use language directly plucked from russian propaganda designed to discredit Ukraine and erode the notion they are a sovereign, free nation fighting an agressor.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Text bolded below.

What part of the AP article?



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[Havok1]

What part of the AP article?



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I don’t know. You’re the one that made the comment. You tell me.

 

[cycleguy2300]

I don’t know. You’re the one that made the comment. You tell me.

How high are you dude?

You said

so the AP article that you were just cheering on is now Russia propaganda. Got it!

What part of the article is propaganda?

You say things without evidence, then use circular logic to autofellate to your conclusion...

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[Dakar34]

Where, pray-tell is this information?

The Euromaidan prompted the Ukrainian parliament to hold a vote (328-0) which removed Yanukovych from office according to their laws and constitution. Yanukovych (being supported by russia) tried to say, with the assistance of russian propaganda the vote was illegal, it was a coup etc... but the people (demos) decided who would rule (Kratos) and they persuaded their parliament to follow the law (much like our 6Jan20 Patriots tried to do).

It should be telling Yanukovych was a member of the Socialist party 1980 until 1991 when it was banned as a political organization. Yanukovych now lives in russia.

Because I it has been written clearly there is no more need for me to try to re-write what happened. BUT, even if it had been the CIA (ridiculous as that claim is) it still wouldn't justify a russian invasion for the sole purpose of conquest.

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Duh? Everywhere? https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/l...n-generates-outrage-american-meddling-ukraine

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA1601K/

Blah blah blah old news for anyone paying attention

 

[Havok1]

How high are you dude?

You said
What part of the article is propaganda?

You say things without evidence, then use circular logic to autofellate to your conclusion...

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You’re the one who said it was Russian propaganda, not me. Lol.

Maybe you should stop calling everythjng russian propaganda with as confused as it’s making you.

 

[CavCop]

Guess you never heard the term "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT " applied to our U.S. military?

We screw everyone indiscriminately....even our own.
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In 1992 at Fort Ord CA, as a young Infantryman we got our “Rules of Engagement” as our active duty unit, 1-9 Inf teamed up Marines, authorized to use deadly force to protect LA from the Riots.
Some guy named Bill Barr decided Posse Comatatus did not apply, and the media turned a blind eye.

In 2004-06 in Iraq our ROE was nothing like post 2006. Or post 2009 with Obama. But some Democrats did try to go after our soldiers and sided with our enemies.

Do you know much about ROE is different for every operation and changes. You could probably find videos of America destroying apartment buildings full of innocents. As we went into Iraq. Rules for war tend to be for survival and winning over being restrained and dying at first, they they change for political reasons to sacrifice our troops and fund more money into a drawn out war. We won Iraq in the first year to 18 months. After that it was all politics, and sacrificing our troops, just like Afghanistan. Lot of soldiers died under Obama, with stricter ROE’s and no real mission other than to be occupiers.

Ukraine never had the OK from America (or NATO) to fully fight back against Russia. They just had advisors who controlled body counts and controlled what targets could be attacked. Not a way to win a war, but great for a genocide.