Every discharge of any type is due to human interaction.
Just some designs are more prone to human error than others.
This isn’t true. There are cases of mechanical failure, though rare.
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Every discharge of any type is due to human interaction.
Just some designs are more prone to human error than others.
A PPQ is a fully cocked striker. Essentially SA. Its honestly a BIT too light for my tastes.
Glocks are partially cocked, about 60%. Gock at one point described their trigger as a 1.5 action, or something similar.
Totally missing the point here.Guns have margins of safety, yes a gun lying on a table unloaded will never fire, we all know that, and have known that since someone had the bright idea to stick black powder and a lump of lead in a tube.
But we also know that you don't carry around an unloaded gun in a foam lined box. You carry it with a round in the chamber, in a holster strapped to your hip, ready to be used, hence all the internal safety mechanisms modern guns have, or should have.
So when some guy knocks you down, your gun doesn't decide to send a round into whichever one of your body parts happens to be in the way. It's so when you are holding the gun and drop it, it doesn't drop you.
If a gun lacks these safety features, that is not the fault of the end user. That is the fault of the manufacturer.
A gun should only fire when you pull the trigger.
Totally missing the point here.
Some pistols (glocks as one example, but not the only, I was just winding up the glock fanboys) are prone to NDA due to the lack of a manual safety. More than a few instances have been reported of NDA's upon reholstering the pistol when some object (key on belt clipped key chain, etc.) gets caught inside the trigger guard. Bang. A person did not pull the trigger. Yet the gun went off.
Human interaction did cause the gun to fire, of course (i.e., the act of reholstering).
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You said “every discharge of any type is due to human interaction”, implying negligence.
Then you move the goal post to “a gun sitting on a table”.
You made an in accurate claim (in the context of the discussion) and now are trying to justify it. There is such think as mechanical failure and it is the cause of a small number of accidental discharges. Though the vast majority of unintentional discharges are due to negligence.
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Totally missing the point here.
Some pistols (glocks as one example, but not the only, I was just winding up the glock fanboys) are prone to NDA due to the lack of a manual safety. More than a few instances have been reported of NDA's upon reholstering the pistol when some object (key on belt clipped key chain, etc.) gets caught inside the trigger guard. Bang. A person did not pull the trigger. Yet the gun went off.
Human interaction did cause the gun to fire, of course (i.e., the act of reholstering).
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming...
Most of the glock NDA's I have read about have been LEO's. Guess they were using Uncle Mike's??Yet plenty of people have also popped themselves with 1911's, DA/SA's, etc.
How many reports of ND's from the military with M9's? I know of several.
Glocks have all the internal and external safeties they need, the rest is left to the shooter and their holster choice.
If you are one of those people who carries a gun in a uncle mikes and tries to slam the gun back in the holster as fast as possible, it doesn't matter what gun you are running around with, you are more likey to pop yourself compared to a guy who looks at his holster, and doesn't slam it home.
ND'ing while holstering is far from tje only time guns have gone off, need i post the videos of sigs going off from drops, or tauruses firing from being shaken, or FNS's going bang when they go into battery?
Keep repeating this, "The holster is a safety, the holster is a safety". Even then, guns can, amd have gone off despite no failire of the end user
Most of the glock NDA's I have read about have been LEO's. Guess they were using Uncle Mike's??
As far as drops, shaking, etc. - those all involve human interaction.
You said “every discharge of any type is due to human interaction”, implying negligence.
You did a study?leo's are one of the most accident prone groups out there. dunno if it's the cocky attitude or the fact that they think they know everything.
Most of the glock NDA's I have read about have been LEO's. Guess they were using Uncle Mike's??
As far as drops, shaking, etc. - those all involve human interaction.