AR triggers

[smittyb]

… but i don't think they are consistently better than a standard milspec trigger can be.

Surely, you jest?

 

[smittyb]

My AR-10 has the Geissle SSA-E 2 stage trigger and I’ve been pretty happy with it.

Those on the forum who have shot my rifles know I prefer a lighter trigger than most. I was worried the SSA-E would be too heavy for my preference with a 2lb load and 1lb break. (Checked and it’s listed as 2.3lb load and 1.2lb break). It’s really doesn’t feel like a 3lb trigger though. And the break is pretty nice and crisp.

I use it for hunting. Wouldn’t hesitate to use it for home defense with the same trigger, but it’s a little large and heavy for that.

Have you tried a CMC 2.5lb single stage?

 

[zackmars]

Depends on how each person defines “better”.

I can think of many problems with standard milspec triggers. Or better put, improvements that can be made in order to promote accuracy across a broad range of shooters. But over a broad range of situations there may be other factors that become more important.

True. Not every milspec trigger is the same. Colts are great, DD is garbage. ALG is good.

By the time you decide you want to improve your USGI trigger, it's safer to just get a two stage or a,  shudders... a cassette trigger.

I've felt more than a few PNT triggers that felt objectively worse than their USGI equivalents. More grit, heavier, mushier breaks... a bit of polish and a fancy coating won't fix an already bad trigger.

 

[Younggun]

Have you tried a CMC 2.5lb single stage?

Nah, I wouldn’t like a single stage that heavy. Only reason the 2 stage works for me is the preload doesn’t factor in to the break. It really doesn’t feel other 2 stage triggers I’ve shot. Those were a weighted take up, then a weighted pull and break. This one is a weighted takeoff, but then breaks like a 1911.

I really prefer the 1lb range. Probably happy with lower, but for what I own and am willing to spend there are issues with the triggers being mechanically safe if they go lower.

 

[zackmars]

Surely, you jest?

Nope. I've felt more than a few ALG ACT's that feel worse than some QMS's.

Same goes for the BCM and PSA versions.

If DD decided to PNT their triggers, they wouldn't feel any better.

Eta, notice i said "can be". There's *lots* of different USGI triggers out there. Most of them are hot garbage but some are actually quite nice.

 

[EZ-E]

I have a Geissle 2 stage, x3 Rise 140s single stage with flat triggers & a few mil specs that I polished up. Here recently on my AR10 build I took a mil spec & used my dremel with a light sanding disk & worked the sear down slowly until it broke at 3.5lbs using a wolf heavy hammer spring. I think the after markets are definitely better than mil spec... other than the new one I reworked in the AR10. I like the drop ins with the flat blade, they don't feel like 3.5lbs imo.

 

[baboon]

All of the Aero lowers I assemble were from their parts kits. My LWRC that my .300 whisper is on is a factory trigger.

The LMT that was my wife rifle has a Geissele as to my M-16

 

[Gordo]

The Rise I bought direct from them was claimed to have 5 lb. break, turned out to be 8 lb.
After a little work, got it down to 5, with creep, and a lot of over travel. It went on the table at the next show.

Everyone that I let shoot the 2 ARs that have the TriggerTech cartridge style, are amazed at how crisp they are.
Creep: 0.000"
Over travel: below 0.015"
Reset: below 0.030"

If the CMMG is any sloppier than this, it will get sold, and replaced with a TriggerTech.

 

[billtool]

Is "cartridge style" the same as drop-in?

 

[Lead Belly]

LMT MBT-2S LaRue $99 in cart​

Larue Tactical MBT-2S Trigger Straight Bow | Midwest Optics

This is the long-awaited straight bow (SB) version of the popular curve-bowed MBT-2S. Many precision and competition shooters prefer a flat-faced trigger for

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This is the long-awaited straight bow (SB) version of the popular curve-bowed MBT-2S. Many precision and competition shooters prefer a flat-faced trigger for greater surface area against the finger-pad and ease of bore indexing from a variety of hasty shooting positions, resulting in faster intuitive shots.


Just like the standard MBT-2S, it’s CNC-machined out of solid S7 tool steel. Meticulously built by our staff toolmakers … without a stopwatch in sight. The result of this extra effort is a glass-smooth, hyper-consistent trigger that will satisfy even the most scrupulous competition shooter, but also be overly rugged for the battlefield. The MBT-2S-SB breaks crisply at 4.5 lbs (2.5 lb first stage, 2 lb second stage) and has a smooth and positive reset.


Everyone also knows that LaRue Tactical has a track-record of doing things right. The LaRue MBT-2S-SB is purposefully designed and manufactured to render the greatest benefits from our legendary line of accurate rifles. The MBT-2S-SB can also replace the stock trigger on any mil-spec AR10/AR15 lower receiver.


Each trigger comes with an additional “heavy” trigger spring that increases the pull weight to 6 lbs.


Made in-house, in Texas, in the USA.


NOTE: This trigger only works with Small Pin Lower Receivers/.154


The MBT-2S Straight Bow Trigger includes the trigger, hammer, springs (Light and Heavy) and hammer and trigger pins.

 

[smittyb]

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CMC 2.5lb SST flat or curved for $89.99.
Made in-house, in Texas, in the USA

 

[zackmars]

Is "cartridge style" the same as drop-in?

All triggers are drop in. You can replace any standard trigger without any special tools other than a cartridge tip or a firing pin.

Cassette or cartridge triggers just means you don't need to mess with hammer springs. Flip side is you're dealing with anti walk or rotation pins.

 

[Lead Belly]

CMC 2.5lb SST flat or curved for $89.99.
Made in-house, in Texas, in the USA

Very nice, ... for a MIM trigger.

 

[oldag]

For single stage, CMC is the best I have ever seen. Made in Texas. Crisp break, no creep.

 

[majormadmax]

I've had a good experience with the Rise Armament RAVE 140 flat drop-in trigger....

 

[Gordo]

I want a Rare Breed!
(if they ever become legal, like bump stocks)

 

[Big Green]

ALG ACT is the best milspec trigger in my opinion, and when purchased on sale is an exceptional value.

LaRue MBT shoots like a Geissele SSA. It’s smooth, predictable, and light, just NOT SSA-E light. The shoe is larger than others. When compared to a SSA it is a great bargain at its price point for how similar it is to the G trigger.

Geissele SSA-E (and its similar variants) is one of my favorite triggers.

All that said, if only needing/wanting SSA type of trigger the MBT is the better route if you like the shoe.

 

[tekiwap]

AR Gold (S7 tool steel) if you want a high end cartridge trigger (CMC would be a good second choice for a cartridge).
LaRue MBT if you want a high end 2 stage trigger, wire EDM'd from S7 and not cast/forged like a geissele or most of those others.

Or, stick to the stock trigger

 

[FireInTheWire]

For single stage, CMC is the best I have ever seen. Made in Texas. Crisp break, no creep.

This^^^ I like the ergonomics of a flat trigger.

 

[TexMex247]

I run many cmcs and have never had a bad one out of the box from a sample of 6+. My rise was unreliable from day one and just haven't had time to send it back. I also have a giessele, timney and PSA epts and the cmcs are by far the best of them. Flat triggers for the bench guns, curved for the field rifles. Can't go wrong with CMC. The "slop" of the cassette pins is a non factor when shooting for groups ime.