Constitutional Carry confusion leading to increased arrests in the Lone Star State?

[striker55]

Does the school zone still apply if the school is closed? I ride my bicycle through a school if no cars are in the parking lot and school is closed.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Does the school zone still apply if the school is closed? I ride my bicycle through a school if no cars are in the parking lot and school is closed.

Whether it applies or not is irrelevant. The question is whether it’s enforceable. Who has jurisdiction to stop you while riding your bicycle?

Do those agencies have the ability to charge you under federal law?

Does a Texas LTC change the ability of an agency to charge you and, if so, how?

 

[RedneckHillbilly]

My view on any licensing, pertaining to firearms, whether have one or not, is gun registration. It is also citizens saying, the government has a right to infringe on the 2’nd & 4’th amendments at the very least. The nature of presenting it, because you were detained, on the premises of proving your innocence, is against the founders intention as well. Yes, the person stopped or detained should being showing signs of suspicion, not just in the wrong neighborhood or whatever.

 

[Sam7sf]

My view on any licensing, pertaining to firearms, whether have one or not, is fun registration. Its also citizens saying the government has a right to infringe on the 2’nd, 4’th amendments at the very least. The nature of presenting it because you were detained it on the premises of proving innocence. Yes, the person stopped or detained should being showing signs of suspicion, not just in the wrong neighborhood or whatever.

Pretty much. An ltc or any chl is infringement. Having permission from the state doesn’t stop people from waking up and wanting to commit a crime.

Don’t get me wrong there’s very stupid people out there. Very. People can sit in a class and be told and shown that these are examples of force and you can’t use deadly force. People will still shoot someone illegally. It kind of gets worse for those going permitless. I promise you most people don’t read the text of new laws. Then people talk and spread misinformation and think they know what’s legal.

I watch people for a living. The shit I see people do is entertaining or head scratching.

 

[Sam7sf]

Remember: these are some of the people we are becoming surrounded with.

 

[Renegade]

Does the school zone still apply if the school is closed? I ride my bicycle through a school if no cars are in the parking lot and school is closed.

Whether it applies or not is irrelevant. The question is whether it’s enforceable. Who has jurisdiction to stop you while riding your bicycle?

Do those agencies have the ability to charge you under federal law?

Well it is plenty enforceable if they know you are coming.

In the original case, school authorities were tipped off Lopez was bringing a gun to school and arrested him as he arrived.

No Federal authorities were present, but the next day a deal was worked out and state charges dropped, and Federal charges made.


So I think the lesson here is if you are going to be actually carrying on school property (as opposed to down an Interstate 850 ft away), the less people who know the better.

 

[RedneckHillbilly]

Well it is plenty enforceable if they know you are coming.

In the original case, school authorities were tipped off Lopez was bringing a gun to school and arrested him as he arrived.

No Federal authorities were present, but the next day a deal was worked out and state charges dropped, and Federal charges made.


So I think the lesson here is if you are going to be actually carrying on school property (as opposed to down an Interstate 850 ft away), the less people who know the better.

What concerns me, is that the mechanisms is there to arrest people for this kind of stuff. Just because it hasn’t happened yet, doesnt mean it wont.

 

[trlrider]

My favorite are the locations with signs prohibiting concealed carry holders from carrying but no signage for people who are not-licensed. So you can only carry if you are un-licensed.

Don't know about your, but I tend to avoid business' that are posted. There is always another that is not. In the case there is not, there is always Online Shopping!

 

[leVieux]

I am pretty sure there’s a exception to the 1000 ft law of certain buildings, but asking, cause I honestly don’t know, but what about driving past said buildings going down the road?. Or picking up/dropping off someone at said institutions?

The Federal Courts here have prohibited enforcement of the State “1000’ law”, b/c there is no practical way for a person to know where the ‘’zones’’ are.

 

[leVieux]

Its not that we don’t need law’s as law is what keeps societies within boundaries and sets rules that all agree upon. It’s when laws are written to infringe your constitutional rights and make good honest people get into trouble. Criminals dont necessarily care about any laws, (what is a definition of a criminal, as one would define it as breaking any law, others would suggest its when people have ill intents on doing nefarious acts), and anarchy isn’t a good way of life, so the requirement is good people with a good moral footing and caring for your neighbor rights as well, not just your own.
At some point, when so many laws are created, you get to where it’s the same as no laws, which is both bad and disheartening. Its the same as the little boy crying wolf, once you cry so many times, nobody listens…

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These issues have been discussed extensively, here & elsewhere.

My bottom line is this: These restrictive laws applying to regular Citizens always disarm only the WRONG people; thus seriously harming public safety.

”GunFree Zones” is a concept of rigid, non-understanding zealots; not those of us who seek actual improved safety for all.

Even worse is the politically inspired forced disarmament of our on-duty Military Officers.

Way back when the USS Cole was almost sunk by terrorists in a little rubber boat, we wondered how this could have happened. Media wouldn’t tell us. We later learned that the deck guards were patrolling with empty rifles per presidential order. They were not allowed to have ammo, so they just watched.

These zones have resulted in many unnecessary deaths of innocents, yet continue.

leVieux
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[RedneckHillbilly]

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These issues have been discussed extensively, here & elsewhere.

My bottom line is this: These restrictive laws applying to regular Citizens always disarm only the WRONG people; thus seriously harming public safety.

”GunFree Zones” is a concept of rigid, non-understanding zealots; not those of us who seek actual improved safety for all.

Even worse is the politically inspired forced disarmament of our on-duty Military Officers.

Way back when the USS Cole was almost sunk by terrorists in a little rubber boat, we wondered how this could have happened. Media wouldn’t tell us. We later learned that the deck guards were patrolling with empty rifles per presidential order. They were not allowed to have ammo, so they just watched.

These zones have resulted in many unnecessary deaths of innocents, yet continue.

leVieux
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In my opinion more laws, like we are talking about, actually creates more danger. It isolates those at risk from anyone willing to protect them. Its a coral, to herd people into trains in my view. Yes there are stupid people out there, maybe we’ll meaning, but is it because of more laws that make guns a thing not readily used or shared, that a lot of people don’t have healthy exposure to get experience and respect for them?

 

[leVieux]

In my opinion more laws, like we are talking about, actually creates more danger. It isolates those at risk from anyone willing to protect them. Its a coral, to herd people into trains in my view. Yes there are stupid people out there, maybe we’ll meaning, but is it because of more laws that make guns a thing not readily used or shared, that a lot of people don’t have healthy exposure to get experience and respect for them?

Of course. . . . .

 

[leVieux]

Whether it applies or not is irrelevant. The question is whether it’s enforceable. Who has jurisdiction to stop you while riding your bicycle?

Do those agencies have the ability to charge you under federal law?

Does a Texas LTC change the ability of an agency to charge you and, if so, how?

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I have been told that a “CHL/CL/CWP, etc” is considered by our Courts to be “otherwise authorized”.

That is in regard to zones, not the actual insides of school builldings.

If we have a knowledgeable Attorney following this, please advise or correct.

leVieux
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[Dennyntx]

IF YOU ARE GOING TO CITE SOMETHING AS BEING THE LAW THEN YES PLEASELINK THE APPRIATE STATUTE FOR OTHERS TO READ

Alcoholic beverage retailers that derive 51% or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption must post the red sign. The red sign has 51% in large red letters superimposed over a warning that says possession of a handgun on the premises is unlawful. (Tabc.texas.gov)

 

[Dennyntx]

The only thing that changed is you dont need the permit to carry.
Still gotta follow the laws like... no guns in posted liquor stores etc...

If you are talking about the 51% law that is only for places that sale alcohol for on premises consumption

 

[leVieux]

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[striker55]

Question, I know you can't carry within 500 ft of a school, does that hold true if school is on vacation? I ride my bicycle and if school is closed, no cars in the parking lot I ride through.

 

[alternative]

Question, I know you can't carry within 500 ft of a school, does that hold true if school is on vacation? I ride my bicycle and if school is closed, no cars in the parking lot I ride through.

Where did you get the 500 feet number? It is 1000 feet. I see no change if the school is open or if there is a vacation. If you have a Texas LTC you can carry in the 1000 feet limit and also if you live within 1000 feet and are legal to own a gun. This is another stupid law that does nothing except it can be used to catch honest citizens.