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    Jeez. They made it as painless as possible but damn. If they really wanted to prevent people from having CHLs they'd require people to redo the class once a year.

    The shooting qualification was a joke. There was a lady who had never shot a handgun before using a glok provided by the range - she qualified. No problem.

    The test? Are you freaking joking? If you can't pass that test you really shouldnt even be allowed out of the house.

    The interesting bit that I took away from the class was: yeah, now you can (or whenever you showme arrives) carry a concealed weapon with you and no you don't have to run away from the bad guys or be a victim, but if you do make the choice to draw your weapon you have stepped foot in a world that will require the assistance of an attorney. Get it wrong (hit an innocent bystander, shoot a fleeing fellon in the back and claim self defense) and you could be facing real criminal charges.

    Even better, say some sack of shit kicks down your door and threatens you and your family with a AK47 but being a sack of shit he doesnt really know how to use it and you bust a cap in his ass. (like that run on? I know you did) Good job! Now you're facing about $10000 in legal bills getting yourself no-billed by the grand jury. Or in a less clear cut situation that goes to trial you could be looking at over a half million in legal fees keeping your ass out of jail. Not to mention the negative media attention, possible loss of your job and your libtard neighbors whining about poos less fortunate oppressed people. At this just fucking lovely.

    On the bright side you can (and frankly should) buy insurance to cover your ass. Despite all the above I will happily bustacap in a perps ass (ass behing that region in the upper chest) if the situation escalates to the point where the lives of my family, myself, friends or even strangers are in danger. however I will do everything in my power to avoid such situations. I personally have no desire to be Clint Eastwood. I'm too busy downloading porn in my masterbation cave to be bothered with such nonsense.

    Another eye openner was the numbers involved and how really crappy hand guns actually are. 85% of people with gun shots survive. WFT? Shooting a perp in the forehead with a handgun is unlikily to give satisfactory results? You've got to be kidding me. Same with the lower parts of the face and pelvic girdle. Geez.

    The idea of having a pistol round hit the target in the forehead, have it pierce the skin but then just follow the contour of the skull around to the backside of the head is a bit funny. In a sick sort of way. You know that is going to hurt. Unfortunately if the perp is all hopped up on mountain dew he is going to seriously kick your ass for doing that to him.

    Anyway, tons of info got dumped on me and I'm still processing it all. I see the reason and reasoning behind carrying all the time, but I still need more time to think it through.

    More people ought to at least take the CHL class even if they don't want the license or to carry.
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    txinvestigator

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    Tweek, congrats on getting the class done. I also commend you for recognizing that using deadly force is serious business.

    Regarding the shooting proficiency, your legislators wanted people to be able to obtain a CHL. When the program first came about, the folks who wrote the bill went to DPS to observe the training. They had DPS make the test easier, and the result is what you have today. IMO, it should be a test that is easy for us.

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    Renegade - my bad - what I put first was incorrect. If the 30.06 sign is posted then you may not. Otherwise....you're GTG.

    What am I going to carry: A big friggin Bazooka! Still trying to figure out how to conceal it though.
    Right now I have that FNP-9 which is a really nice weapon. As I keep working out I'll be able to conceal with an inside the waist holster during the winter. But overall it is not a practical carry weapon. I'll probably shop around for something more suitable but I'm not in a rush. I'm also dealing with a wife who isnt as far along the process as I am. All of this is a pretty radical change for us and she isnt a risk taker like I am (meaning I tend to adapt to change more readily).
     

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    BTW the funny bit with that 30.06 thing: I have never ever actually seen one. I've seen little signs saying not to bring a firearm in, but never an actual 30.06 sign. I find that pretty damn funny.
     

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    Renegade - my bad - what I put first was incorrect. If the 30.06 sign is posted then you may not. Otherwise....you're GTG.

    Congrats to finding it on your own. That is by far the most confusing section of the law I have read. Nobody reads all the way to the bottom.
     

    Randman

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    Congrats! I enjoyed the humor deployed in your novel above. I also congratulate you on knowing that it is in fact serious business, and a serious responsibility.

    Now find a good carry piece, and good holster and belt, and make it part of your daily routine while getting dressed. Most importantly, practice! we do what we practice...oh, and practice does not make perfect....Perfect Practice makes Perfect...OK, my ADD is kicking in now, so have fun and be safe out there!

    is that a duck?
     

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    Congrats! I enjoyed the humor deployed in your novel above. I also congratulate you on knowing that it is in fact serious business, and a serious responsibility.

    Now find a good carry piece, and good holster and belt, and make it part of your daily routine while getting dressed. Most importantly, practice! we do what we practice...oh, and practice does not make perfect....Perfect Practice makes Perfect...OK, my ADD is kicking in now, so have fun and be safe out there!

    is that a duck?
    quackgrats bro
     
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    Congratulations!

    I agree the tests are easy, but they should be.

    I do think your instructor was overemphasizing the "every shoot requires an attorney" bit. If someone kicks down your door with an AK and you shoot him you will not have to pay any money. In fact, you can't hire an attorney to get yourself no-billed by the Grand Jury.
     

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    Congratulations!

    I agree the tests are easy, but they should be.

    I do think your instructor was overemphasizing the "every shoot requires an attorney" bit. If someone kicks down your door with an AK and you shoot him you will not have to pay any money. In fact, you can't hire an attorney to get yourself no-billed by the Grand Jury.

    Yes sir it should be easy. I just can sit through all the talking part. Hearing all those laws a what if's kinda gets on my nerves.
    You gotta remember, I dont like the CHL and dont think anyone should have to have one. All I think people should have is enough sence to practice and be responsible.
    FYI, im fixin to get me a Utah CCW. Its only 4 hours and cheap!
     

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    I look at carry as a last resort. You know.. the better to be judged by 12 than carried by six deal. If you think you're going to die, then you draw and shoot. Anything else is up for debate. There may be some situations that a GJ would not indite especially in our state, but my take is if you, or your loved one (maybe a stranger) is in inmate danger of death, and there is absolutely no way out, than act. And that's where the cost to defend comes into play. If you or your loved one's life is in danger, who the hell cares what it will cost.

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    smschulz

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    I look at carry as a last resort. You know.. the better to be judged by 12 than carried by six deal. If you think you're going to die, then you draw and shoot. Anything else is up for debate. There may be some situations that a GJ would not indite especially in our state, but my take is if you, or your loved one (maybe a stranger) is in inmate danger of death, and there is absolutely no way out, than act. And that's where the cost to defend comes into play. If you or your loved one's life is in danger, who the hell cares what it will cost.

    My $.02 US worth

    I agree 100%.
    I still carry 'Texas LawShield' insurance anyway.
    Doesn't change my response as I agree it is a means of last resort.
     

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    The shooting qualification was a joke. There was a lady who had never shot a handgun before using a glok provided by the range - she qualified. No problem.

    Some people have natural talent.


    The test? Are you freaking joking? If you can't pass that test you really shouldnt even be allowed out of the house.

    Yet we see so many people out on their own without supervision...

    The interesting bit that I took away from the class was: yeah, now you can (or whenever you showme arrives) carry a concealed weapon with you and no you don't have to run away from the bad guys or be a victim, but if you do make the choice to draw your weapon you have stepped foot in a world that will require the assistance of an attorney. Get it wrong (hit an innocent bystander, shoot a fleeing fellon in the back and claim self defense) and you could be facing real criminal charges.

    Nobody said being resposible was easy (or safe).

    Even better, say some sack of shit kicks down your door and threatens you and your family with a AK47 but being a sack of shit he doesnt really know how to use it and you bust a cap in his ass. (like that run on? I know you did) Good job! Now you're facing about $10000 in legal bills getting yourself no-billed by the grand jury. Or in a less clear cut situation that goes to trial you could be looking at over a half million in legal fees keeping your ass out of jail. Not to mention the negative media attention, possible loss of your job and your libtard neighbors whining about poos less fortunate oppressed people. At this just fucking lovely.

    In your house, you can "stop the threat" if you think your life is in danger. If someone actually busts down my door, that's enough for me to perceive a threat, and the guy be a corpse when they take him out of my house. I won't wait to see if/what he's carrying.

    Another eye openner was the numbers involved and how really crappy hand guns actually are. 85% of people with gun shots survive. WFT? Shooting a perp in the forehead with a handgun is unlikily to give satisfactory results? You've got to be kidding me. Same with the lower parts of the face and pelvic girdle. Geez.

    It's not about hitting your target. It's about how well placed the shot is, and what ammo you're using. My pistols are all loaded with JHP, and I plan on firing until the slide locks back.

    The idea of having a pistol round hit the target in the forehead, have it pierce the skin but then just follow the contour of the skull around to the backside of the head is a bit funny. In a sick sort of way. You know that is going to hurt. Unfortunately if the perp is all hopped up on mountain dew he is going to seriously kick your ass for doing that to him.

    Easy solution don't try for the head shot.

    More people ought to at least take the CHL class even if they don't want the license or to carry.

    I took the class and then didn't apply. I am thoroughly pissed off that the state of Texas thinks it can force me to buy back part of my 2nd Amendment rights. Afterall, the badguys can buy weapons and carry without bothering with all that law-abinding crap, so why do *I* have to do it?
     

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    I do think your instructor was overemphasizing the "every shoot requires an attorney" bit. If someone kicks down your door with an AK and you shoot him you will not have to pay any money. In fact, you can't hire an attorney to get yourself no-billed by the Grand Jury.

    I strongly disagree. I've had students -- one who actually used an AK-47 to shoot a burglar in his house -- who've been sued civilly. The AK-47 shooter lost his civil suit.

    Regarding the Grand Jury, it is true that you can't hire an attorney to represent you in a grand jury investigation. However, if you don't hire an attorney to help you with your prepared statement so you answer every anticipated question perfectly, you could find yourself true billed and facing a criminal prosecution. Hiring an attorney up front is good insurance, and much less expensive than the attorney that you'll hire for the criminal trial.
     

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    In your house, you can "stop the threat" if you think your life is in danger.
    Think your life in danger is never a justification for using deadly force. It may be how you "felt", but it is not your justification. The penal code is specific.
    If someone actually busts down my door, that's enough for me to perceive a threat, and the guy be a corpse when they take him out of my house. I won't wait to see if/what he's carrying.

    My pistols are all loaded with JHP, and I plan on firing until the slide locks back.
    Really? The guy falls to the ground after two shots you gonna keep shooting?


    I took the class and then didn't apply. I am thoroughly pissed off that the state of Texas thinks it can force me to buy back part of my 2nd Amendment rights. Afterall, the badguys can buy weapons and carry without bothering with all that law-abinding crap, so why do *I* have to do it?

    So what do you do? Not carry outside of your home or car to teach the state a lesson? Or do you carry unlawfully? One who does the second becomes a part of the problem.
     
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    I strongly disagree. I've had students -- one who actually used an AK-47 to shoot a burglar in his house -- who've been sued civilly. The AK-47 shooter lost his civil suit.
    I suspect this was years ago before laws were changed to protect the victims.
    Regarding the Grand Jury, it is true that you can't hire an attorney to represent you in a grand jury investigation. However, if you don't hire an attorney to help you with your prepared statement so you answer every anticipated question perfectly, you could find yourself true billed and facing a criminal prosecution. Hiring an attorney up front is good insurance, and much less expensive than the attorney that you'll hire fore the criminal trial.

    Anyone can hire an attorney if they choose to. But is is irresponsible for a CHL instructor to tell his students they will face $10,000 in legal bills if they use deadly force to stop a home invasion.
     

    DoubleActionCHL

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    I suspect this was years ago before laws were changed to protect the victims.

    Anyone can hire an attorney if they choose to. But is is irresponsible for a CHL instructor to tell his students they will face $10,000 in legal bills if they use deadly force to stop a home invasion.

    Irresponsible would be NOT telling students of the possible consequences of using deadly force.
     
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