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I hate the fact you can't get parts from SA
I didnt know this.
I hate the fact you can't get parts from SA
Production numbers and sales are pretty much irrelevant to performance. People buy all kinds of dumb shit(not saying the XD is), what they buy shouldn't be linked to the product's quality. Mossberg chainsaws and hi points come to mind, hell Llama has sold a lot more 1911s than Nighthawk.
Although it's true that hi points have had very high sales, price them comparably to Glock or XD and they would be out of business in a month. Same scenario with Llama.
The Mossberg "chainsaw" is a gimmick and is not as relevant a comparison as the XD is to other handguns that follow the same basic design. It doesn't have any special gimmicky handles or flashing lights.
So, when a product is designed that follows the basic form and price as the competition I would say that sales numbers become much more relevant.
I haven't actually seen anyone with a "chainsaw" and I would bet the sales are dismal compared to standard shotguns and pistol grip shotguns.
If you consider stales a relevant statistic wouldn't that show both glock and m&p to he superior pistols?
Your opinion only. The XD is an extremely popular handgun and I rather doubt it would be so if it had, as you claim, "rather serious ergonomic problems." Actually, many consider its ergonomics a vast improvement over the Glock.
I never argued it to be superior, I only refuted your claim that sales numbers were irrelevant.
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What I stated was not as much of an opinion as it is a fact. Look at the actual shape and profile of the XD grip in comparison to the Glock. Both are extremely rectangular. Both effectively have the grip arch that people so often complain about. Due to the shape of the grip of the XD with the backstrap indentation for the grip safety, it means the bottom half of the backstrap is effectively the "arch". The profile and angle is slightly different, but it's an arch nonetheless. This is simple geometry. So what, then, do you consider to be a "vast" improvement in ergonomics over the Glock? I would consider the M&P, H&K P30, Walther P99 to all be vast improvements in ergonomics. I would consider the XD-M to be a significant improvement over the XD. My standpoint, which is derived purely from the simple geometry I've described, is that there is not a demonstrably significant difference between the two in terms of ergonomics.
I don't even use the sights on my XD or 1911s within 50 ft when shooting cans, steel, and pie plates. I only use my sights when I need to make a deliberately super-accurate or long-range shot.
SIG_Fiend - I normally agree with you on just about everything, but as a man who has grown up shooting 1911s his whole life, trying a Glock for the first time was something akin to trying to shoot a wooden chair leg. The grip angle is most assuredly different. Maybe not different enough to be hugely visibly noticeable, but definitely hugely different. Grip angle is all-important to me when choosing a handgun because I've trained to be a quick-draw point-shooter my whole life. My XD points exactly like my 1911s did and do - Glocks do not. I don't even use the sights on my XD or 1911s within 50 ft when shooting cans, steel, and pie plates. I only use my sights when I need to make a deliberately super-accurate or long-range shot. When I tried point shooting with two different Glocks, I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Even a few degrees makes all the difference in the world.