OC Ignorance at Walmart

[winchster]

You're still missing the point, and your quote above is not the context in which the remark about gun buster signs was made.
that's OK, I'll take the blame for your total misunderstanding ... you win.
Peace ...

I don't know how much clearer it could be. You said the signage was not legal.
Rather than scroll back up on my phone to quote that post, I quoted the closer one instead, assuming you would be able to connect the dots. My statement was, the sign you were referring to as being illegal was incorrect, since the sign in question is in fact required by TABC.
At the end of the day, I was merely trying to help you understand that the sign IS legal.
That is all...

 

[Mreed911]

And, it's not illegal to post incorrect signage, e.g. wrong wording, etc. So there's really no such thing as "illegal signage" outside the red/blue requirements from TABC.

 

[London]

Can't we all just agree the dopes in the video were clueless about the signage regardless of what it says so it doesn't matter anyway?

 

[gwjohns]

Can't we all just agree the dopes in the video were clueless about the signage regardless of what it says so it doesn't matter anyway?

Agreed

 

[vmax]

Can't we all just agree the dopes in the video were clueless about the signage regardless of what it says so it doesn't matter anyway?

abosolutley

 

[Charlie]

I agree.

 

[London]

That was too easy...

 

[Hoji]

Why didn't you ask necky about .22 ammo?

 

[jrbfishn]

Can't we all just agree the dopes in the video were clueless about the signage regardless of what it says so it doesn't matter anyway?

Without a doubt.

Why didn't you ask necky about .22 ammo?

Too easy.

sent from an idgit coffeeholic

 

[Wyldman]

Nothing is ever too easy when it comes to the new standard of the lowest common denominator bunch.

Crush, kill, mangle, maim, destroy.

 

[matefrio]

I'm all for gun rights and OC. That said no matter what corporate policy is once management asks you to leave you're obliged.

The only thing I'd ask is "May I cover it up and stay?"

Their store, their rules. Private property and all, just ask and leave if they insist.

Does no good for anyone to argue the matter there.

 

[jrbfishn]

Well, co-manager was unable to get me a printed copy of what she said she read from home office. But here is the short version according to her.
Open carriers are to be left alone unless the open carrier is causing a problem. Simply having a handgun in the open in a holster while shopping is NOT enough reason. If another customer, or employee, is causing a problem because of it, then that person is the one to be dealt with. Not the person open carrying. Only salaried managers are supposed to deal with the open carry if there is a problem with the open carrier doing so in an unsafe manner. Otherwise, leave them alone and treat them as any other customer.
I looked at policy lists and could not find anything other than this. Any customer, carrying a firearm openly or not, that is not creating a disturbance, acting in an unsafe manner, or obviously breaking the law should be left alone to shop other than to offer assistance.
Sorry. Wish I could be more specific as far as an official written policy. If it was me, I would definately contact the district market manager and home office and make a complaint if I was doing nothing wrong and another customer complained causing the managers reaction. From what I saw, yes, they were within legal rights to ask him to leave. But just because you have the authority to behave in an ignorant manner does not make it right to do so. They should have made an effort to at least see who was causing the problem. Not just acted on feelings and ignorance.

sent from an idgit coffeeholic

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So, what if an employee that is NOT a manager asks one to leave, is that still official notice?

 

[Charlie]

Well, co-manager was unable to get me a printed copy of what she said she read from home office. But here is the short version according to her.
Open carriers are to be left alone unless the open carrier is causing a problem. Simply having a handgun in the open in a holster while shopping is NOT enough reason. If another customer, or employee, is causing a problem because of it, then that person is the one to be dealt with. Not the person open carrying. Only salaried managers are supposed to deal with the open carry if there is a problem with the open carrier doing so in an unsafe manner. Otherwise, leave them alone and treat them as any other customer.
I looked at policy lists and could not find anything other than this. Any customer, carrying a firearm openly or not, that is not creating a disturbance, acting in an unsafe manner, or obviously breaking the law should be left alone to shop other than to offer assistance.
Sorry. Wish I could be more specific as far as an official written policy. If it was me, I would definately contact the district market manager and home office and make a complaint if I was doing nothing wrong and another customer complained causing the managers reaction. From what I saw, yes, they were within legal rights to ask him to leave. But just because you have the authority to behave in an ignorant manner does not make it right to do so. They should have made an effort to at least see who was causing the problem. Not just acted on feelings and ignorance.

sent from an idgit coffeeholic

Epic!

 

[gwjohns]

So, what if an employee that is NOT a manager asks one to leave, is that still official notice?

No, only salaried members of management (ASM, APM,CO-MGR, STORE MGR) can ask someone to leave and only they can trespass someone from the property

 

[ZX9RCAM]

What if a manager directed an "underling" to give notice?

 

[bones_708]

What if a manager directed an "underling" to give notice?

From the trespasse's perspective any employee can trespass you. I'm not looking it up but the language in the statute is apparent authority if I remember right. Walmart policy may be that only a salaried employee can trespass, what about security or loss prevention, but someone who is just shopping doesn't really know that and can't know how the authority has actually been delegated in each store.

 

[jrbfishn]

So, what if an employee that is NOT a manager asks one to leave, is that still official notice?

Legally, more than likely. But they are probably going to get terminated unless they can show you were creating a hazard.

sent from an idgit coffeeholic

 

[locke_n_load]

Our boy London got Featured on the The Truth About Guns today:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/04/robert-farago/texas-open-carriers-letter-to-walmart/

 

[London]

Our boy London got Featured on the The Truth About Guns today:

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/04/robert-farago/texas-open-carriers-letter-to-walmart/

This is exactly why you don't kick someone out of your store for stupid reasons. Glad to see there are very few negative comments there (I guess that's to be expected), and the ones that are there are either people who didn't read the letter or assumed much (I guess that's to be expected as well).

In other news, Walmart has yet to contact me about the matter. I called the district manager and she hasn't even heard of this yet, despite the fact I sent an email to corporate days ago. I sent her an email to her personal inbox so we'll see what happens. I look forward to receiving my letter.