Blocking Doctor inquires

[Tcruse]

Two weeks ago I went to see my Doc. When I took off my shirt he noticed the empty holster on my belt (the clinic of course is a gun free zone) he asked me what I carried, I told him and he said that his carry choice was a Glock 19. After he completed his examination we had a short conversation about the relative merits of conventional DA/SA pistols vs striker fire. I somehow doubt that he will be passing any information on to "big brother".

Well, your doctor may not really have much of a choice. Part of the requirements for certified Electronic Medical Records includes automatic sharing of information with "assigned" government agency. Not sure if the actual implementation has started but the design is clear and if you make EMR software you are required to demonstrate that such a real time feed is functional.
Also, with many of the doctors now closely associated with a hospital chain, the hospital chain actually stores the information and configures that actual questions required. So, the nurse that you see either supplies an answer or you supply an answer. Now, how that information is used is anyone's guess.
I think it is a good thing that collection of non-medical information by doctors is limited by law.

 

[TX69]

Don't we have enough laws "for your own good". This one falls right there in the same barrel. People who aren't adult enough to tell the doctor they are paying to "How does that relate to your health concerns?" or "It's really none of your business" probably aren't really adult enough to use guns responsibly.

I have never had one ask but I would just sit there acting bored until they went on to something health related.

 

[TX69]

Yep. Many of those medical organizations have become overtly politicized. One of the aims of ObammyCAIR was to 'deem' firearm ownership a health issue and then HHS would start regulating them. It is one (of many) reasons that monstrosity needs to be repealed in its entirety. One of the reasons many of their docs started asking about firearms ownership was to create a load of data. They'd either draw their own conclusion from it, or more likely just say "if we only had a little more power, we could prevent all these horrible deaths!"

I had a specialist start on an anti-2A diatribe that sounded like he was reading off a Bloomturd teleprompter. I'd never mentioned them or anything, he just went off. I never saw that doc again.

It helps everyone by then going to HealthGrades / Yelp / Google / etc and report "honestly" so you don't get hit with SLAP to warn others that this doctor is doing this. Put as much hurt on his MONEY as possible. That ought shut them up when the money runs dry.

 

[BRD@66]

Or just say "No" and skew whatever database the results are feeding.

YG & I can't be the only ones doing this. The databases that report # of firearms in America are a joke.

 

[Jack Ryan]

I have never had one ask but I would just sit there acting bored until they went on to something health related.

Why not just ask them "Why do you want to know?".

For a people who as a group will put out a bunch of bull about "... cold dead hands..." and rant about how they need their guns to stop oppressive government not to even get around to all the Texas this and that brags there just about not another societal culture as timid as gun owners. People are just people and they all want to be accepted as part of the herd. Mooing along, "there should be a law against this!"

Hey if you don't like the doctor, moove.

If there is a law or regulation REQUIRING him to ask those questions for the government then it's a whole 'nother situation but you don't solve it with MOVE GOVERNMENT INTRUSION. You solve it by repealing the law and getting rid of the numbnutz who passed it.

 

[41magnut]

To the Doc or nurse (more likely)
1) What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?
2) I refuse to answer. moving on, & I want copies of all my records.


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[zincwarrior]

To the Doc or nurse (more likely)
1) What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?
2) I refuse to answer. moving on, & I want copies of all my records.


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No no no. You need to turn around, mess up your hair, turn back and ask "why do you ask?"

 

[41magnut]

No no no. You need to turn around, mess up your hair, turn back and ask "why do you ask?"

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[AustinN4]

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[Wildcat Diva]

I think, yes, get rid of the requirement for asking. I think state funded health care centers do have the policy to ask. Where my kids got their physicals for Boy Scout camp they asked. I did not care either way, so I answered. Kid answered and had a discussion about shooting at the range and it turns out this doc did as well.

But yes, what does this have to do with health care?

Laws about this either way needs repealed. I THINK that GP DOES need to ask about suicide risk for every patient, IMO, and talk about gun access could be part of this. In arguing research with people who critique gun ownership in America I discover that the biggest problem with gun deaths is suicide. Suicide can come by many means but quick access to a gun makes it easy as pie when a more difficult method makes it likely that reason will have time to sneak in and the suicide is averted.

GPs are VERY likely, more so than psychiatrists, to see people just prior to a suicide. This fact should be optimized to prevent suicides. The government should stay their ass out of it though.

 

[Whistler]

I'd just as soon they stayed out of my decision to live or die as well

 

[Wildcat Diva]

Most decisions of suicides do not seem to be made from a place of clarity but rather despair. A permanent solution to a temporary problem, if you will. I cannot see not trying to intervene to stop suicides in general. It seems counterintuitive to me to just say, yeah, sure, don't try to help someone who is too hopeless to help themselves.

 

[Whistler]

Fair enough, assuming they want help.

I respect your opinion despite disagreement but we're going off topic and perhaps we can debate it another time.

I don't consider questions regarding gun ownership to be germane to my health care, they can write whatever they want there as it's unlikely I'd complete such a questionnaire and likely I'd find another provider with less interest in my personal concerns.

 

[jrbfishn]

I've known 3 suicides in my life, at least that I know of for sure. None of them a doctor would have stopped.


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[ElevenBravo]

A few years back, my Dr. asked me if I knew of any good gunsmiths in town. His BIL had jammed a .222 into the Dr.'s 22-250 or something along those lines. Now I'm wondering if that was a trick question.

It's a trap. Nobody shoots .222

 

[BRD@66]

It's a trap. Nobody shoots .222

and now we know why.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

It's a trap. Nobody shoots .222

I killed my first Deer with a .222.

 

[Wildcat Diva]

I've known 3 suicides in my life, at least that I know of for sure. None of them a doctor would have stopped.


from an idgit coffeeholic

while this is interesting anecdotal data, it's clear that GP's are far more likely to see potentially suicidal people (treating some medical concern) in the month before they kill themselves, far more likely than a shrink. There ought to be some protocol for preventing suicides, seeing how generally in America we as a nation are not pleased with how many suicides that we have per capita. GPs are in a position to catch very many of these in a timely manner to provide some intervention that might help.

 

[jrbfishn]

If the suicide is over a medical issue or a chronic thing, I can see that. Those that for whatever reason decide they have had enough, you will not stop. Cars, guns, knives or drugs, really doesn't matter. But I will agree that a GP with a long term relationship with a patient does stand a good chance to know and read the patient better. As well as have a better overall and long term understanding of them.

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[Mowingmaniac 24/7]

Jack Kevorkian and his perspective is often derided.

If I'm discovered to have a fatal disease that will be long and painful before my demise, why shouldn't I be allowed to pull the plug?

Certainly, if one is temporarily depressed or experiences other impermanent situations suicide isn't the answer, but if one is terminal and faces degrading pain and other dreadful manifestations before dying, why not a painless, but premature exit?

Yes, I appreciate some theologians and doctors give short shrift to such situations. Hey, just suffer and die and quit whining.

OK, but when it's your turn in the barrel and you're told you've got Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis or cancer that can't be treated, just suffer and quit complaining, checking out sooner rather than later makes sense to me.