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[Coiled]

I appreciate you giving out your unsolicited comment about ...

Are you pot or kettle? Maybe discussion boards aren't for you.

Yes he did imply it, when he used it as an analogy.

You missed the big picture. Here, let me help you.

Yeah, like winning a football game with a last second field goal. Should not be allowed.

Get over it. Passed is passed.

And that accomplishes what? Yea, okay, nothing.

Again, argument for the sake of.

 

[Jon Payne]

My hasn't this thread taken on a life of it's own? If you take the LTC program as a joke then it's a joke. If you take the program seriously you'll get good information and hopefully be motivated to learn even more. The same as any field; not all LTC Instructors are of equal abilities or knowledge. If the LTC program dissolves because CC gets passed some day I'm okay with it. Honestly, I see more motivation and responsible ownership in my other courses than I do LTC courses. In the mean time I'll continue to conduct LTC courses because I get to interact with a lot of new gun owners on the "ground floor". As always you'll get out of it what you put into it.

 

[heavygunner8]

Well, you did open that door with your post about your score on the profiency exercise.

Again, passed means passed. You should make arguments based on facts and statistics as opposed to how you feel.

If your argument is completely about how you feel, facts be damned, then fine. Just be big enough to come out and say so.

If you've bothered to read this long thread, I've already refered to why there is a lack of statistics. The chance of something like defending yourself with a firearm is already low enough, then narrow that down to the states that have CC, and you dont have an adequate sample size anymore. Common sense dictates a person should at least know the state's gun laws and show a basic ability to operate a firearm before allowing him/her to carry one in public in proximity to other law abiding citizens.

 

[heavygunner8]

Are you pot or kettle? Maybe discussion boards aren't for you.



You missed the big picture. Here, let me help you.




Again, argument for the sake of.

I was asked a question about whether I have a LTC, and thought I'd elaborate on my thoughts. I never said getting a 250/250 was an accomplishment, unlike your buddy who is bragging about getting a "250 with his support hand, blindfolded". When you argued about whether he implied it or not in your original post, you've already missed the big picture, why accuse me of it? And lastly, it certainly sounds like you're here to argue for argument's sake. That's the pot and kettle situation. How ironic.

 

[jrbfishn]

Even trained people like cops miss in a shootout. So do soldiers. And trained security. Training is no guarantee of proficiency in a shootout.
The fact is, no amount of training, no matter how much people understand the laws, the world will never be the safe place you want it to be.
Constitutional carry means one thing only. That anyone that can legally posess of firearm in Texas would have the right to legally carry it to protect themselves and others against those that already carry them illegally and are willing to use them illegally. Without the honest person becomeing a criminal for doing so. Will unintended people possibly be hurt? Quite possible. Because they are already being hurt. Not just by handguns, but by cars, knives and a host of other ways.
No amount of regulation oor training will make you safe. Period.

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[Coiled]

OK heavygunner8, I got it, you want to constantly move the target. Have a good day.

 

[heavygunner8]

OK heavygunner8, I got it, you want to constantly move the target. Have a good day.

I don't see how I moved the target by replying to each of your concerns in your post. But, you have a great day too.

 

[Jon Payne]

If you've bothered to read this long thread, I've already refered to why there is a lack of statistics. The chance of something like defending yourself with a firearm is already low enough, then narrow that down to the states that have CC, and you dont have an adequate sample size anymore. Common sense dictates a person should at least know the state's gun laws and show a basic ability to operate a firearm before allowing him/her to carry one in public in proximity to other law abiding citizens.

I truly believe in personal responsibility. I guess that means I have to trust everyone else to be a responsible as I believe myself to be. My view of freedom is it comes with risk. I noticed your use of the word allow and began to wonder how many rights are we allowed to exercise?

 

[V-Tach]

If we could regulate personal responsibility when we exercise of our Rights....

 

[Vaquero]

If you've bothered to read this long thread, I've already refered to why there is a lack of statistics. The chance of something like defending yourself with a firearm is already low enough, then narrow that down to the states that have CC, and you dont have an adequate sample size anymore. Common sense dictates a person should at least know the state's gun laws and show a basic ability to operate a firearm before allowing him/her to carry one in public in proximity to other law abiding citizens.

My Dad taught me, and approved my ability to safely "operate" firearms some 40 years ago.
He then allowed me to carry as I saw fit. We understood the laws of that era, and the exceptions.
If the state insists on classroom teaching and proficiency testing, then it should be common curriculum at every state funded school.
License be damned.

That's just my side of it.

 

[heavygunner8]

I truly believe in personal responsibility. I guess that means I have to trust everyone else to be a responsible as I believe myself to be. My view of freedom is it comes with risk. I noticed your use of the word allow and began to wonder how many rights are we allowed to exercise?

I think your rights stop when it begins to carry a mitigable risk to physically harm another innocent human being. Just like we don't allow Sharia Law to be practiced by the muslims in America, doesn't mean we don't love freedom of religion.

 

[Kar98]

If the state insists on classroom teaching and proficiency testing, then it should be common curriculum at every state funded school.

Now you're talking!

 

[Hoji]

If you've bothered to read this long thread, I've already refered to why there is a lack of statistics. The chance of something like defending yourself with a firearm is already low enough, then narrow that down to the states that have CC, and you dont have an adequate sample size anymore. Common sense dictates a person should at least know the state's gun laws and show a basic ability to operate a firearm before allowing him/her to carry one in public in proximity to other law abiding citizens.

Please show where in other CC states this has been a problem, or just admit that this is all about your personal feelings and it makes you uncomfortable.

 

[Hoji]

I think your rights stop when it begins to carry a mitigable risk to physically harm another innocent human being. Just like we don't allow Sharia Law to be practiced by the muslims in America, doesn't mean we don't love freedom of religion.

What is you vision score? How about your hearing?

 

[heavygunner8]

Please show where in other CC states this has been a problem, or just admit that this is all about your personal feelings and it makes you uncomfortable.

How is making sure people know the guns laws and know how to operate a firearm, my "personal feelings"? You're absolutely right, I don't feel comfortable having random people that has never shot a gun before to walk around with one near me or my family. That shouldn't be a surprise to you after arguing with me this long.

 

[Hoji]

How is making sure people know the guns laws and know how to operate a firearm, my "personal feelings"? You're absolutely right, I don't feel comfortable having random people that has never shot a gun before to walk around with one near me or my family. That shouldn't be a surprise to you after arguing with me this long.

Welcome to United States. Price of freedom is sometimes being uncomfortable. You do not have a right to comfort.

 

[Younggun]

So now we're back to saying the LTC license exam is adequate? I never actually started the idea that it was lacking. Somebody on the first page of this thread, stated the LTC exam doesn't prove a thing, well by following that logic, then I said we need to increase the rigor of the exam. And now that I've actually done that, we're back to saying the LTC exam is adequate. Okay then. As much as I think the rigor should go up, let's just keep the current LTC requirements around to make sure people can actually shoot to a basic level.

I'm saying that the class really doesn't require any level of proficiency and we are not having any problems because of it. In other words, it is a joke as stated and historical evidence shows no need for increasing the standard.

In fact, evidence seems to indicate the decreasing or removing training requirements have had no negative impact.

All evidence seems to point to a conclusion that your opinion is emotionally based. Many states allow unlicensed carry, people carrying firearms in the vehicles on a daily basis with no training requirement, and countless LTC holders who've taken a class which blind people have passed...yet we've not seen any of the horror stories come to pass.

Real world evidence points to the conclusion that gun owners can and do carry on a daily basis with no standard training or qualification without creating a danger to the general public.


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[Younggun]

I think your rights stop when it begins to carry a mitigable risk to physically harm another innocent human being. Just like we don't allow Sharia Law to be practiced by the muslims in America, doesn't mean we don't love freedom of religion.

The sharia law example is fairly inaccurate. There are areas where forms of sharia law are practiced in the US, and sharia law only becomes a crime if the rights of another are violated.


It's really irrelevant to this discussion though.


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[fishingsetx]

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Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain

 

[majormadmax]

Welcome to United States. Price of freedom is sometimes being uncomfortable. You do not have a right to comfort.

And he has a right to his opinion, even if it makes others on here uncomfortable...