Drunk Illegal Arrested After Shooting Motorists on Major TX Interstate

[jrbfishn]

He's a liberal gun owner. He knows more than us common gun owners.
He said so. On the INTERNET, so it has to be true

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[MTA]

Sorta blows the left's narrative yet once again.

Next question, if he is here illegally, how did he get the rifle? Maybe the MSNBC can answer that for us.

Well shit, they can vote and get welfare. Why not have all the benefits and more of being a citizen without having to pay taxes?

 

[zincwarrior]

How ya gonna trace down the FTF seller?

Not necessarily FTF, but whoever sold it to him-he knows who it is. Again this is not hard.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Not necessarily FTF, but whoever sold it to him-he knows who it is. Again this is not hard.

He might know a name, but that could be all.

 

[zincwarrior]

He's a liberal gun owner. He knows more than us common gun owners.
He said so. On the INTERNET, so it has to be true

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Are you arguing you don't want to go after people illegally selling firearms?
We have the shooter. Now go after the people that sold him the gun.

 

[easy rider]

Are you arguing you don't want to go after people illegally selling firearms?
We have the shooter. Now go after the people that sold him the gun.

I would be willing to bet that they have questioned him on where he had gotten the gun. That doesn't mean they will be able to track down any one person or place or that he will even cooperate.

 

[zincwarrior]

I would be willing to bet that they have questioned him on where he had gotten the gun. That doesn't mean they will be able to track down any one person or place or that he will even cooperate.

Right not disagreeing, just that the effort should be made as there is a clear opportunity to go after illegal sellers, which is what we all want.

 

[robertc1024]

Right not disagreeing, just that the effort should be made as there is a clear opportunity to go after illegal sellers, which is what we all want.

I'm not sure of all of the circumstances, but to me, that's a slippery slope. Are making the assumption that the seller knew it was illegal to sell to that person? Or you using the "ignorance of the law is no excuse"?

I've sold guns to people who only showed a valid TX driver's license. If one were a prohibited individual outside of my knowledge, you think the law should come after me?

Advocating universal background checks?

 

[SQLGeek]

Eric Holder probably sold it to him at a gun show.

So the magic gun fairy handed it out via gun show loophole. I keep hearing about these legendary gunshows but all I end up finding is beef jerky and candles.

 

[pronstar]

A gun seller has no way of knowing if someone is prohibited in a FTF transfer.

And if that gun changes hands - legally FTF - many times, there's no way it's going to be traced back each step of the way.

It's easy to repeatedly say "it's not hard" but that's not going to be reality in all situations.




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[zincwarrior]

I'm not sure of all of the circumstances, but to me, that's a slippery slope. Are making the assumption that the seller knew it was illegal to sell to that person? Or you using the "ignorance of the law is no excuse"?

I've sold guns to people who only showed a valid TX driver's license. If one were a prohibited individual outside of my knowledge, you think the law should come after me?

Advocating universal background checks?

Not at all. In your example if the BG showed up with a TDL, ok. But if he didn't have ID and has a very nice accent and the seller still sold it, thats an issue to be investigated.

 

[zincwarrior]

A gun seller has no way of knowing if someone is prohibited in a FTF transfer.

And if that gun changes hands - legally FTF - many times, there's no way it's going to be traced back each step of the way.

It's easy to repeatedly say "it's not hard" but that's not going to be reality in all situations.




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Right, I am not arguing that, only to the person that sold or gave him the firearm. Now they should investigate to see if that person is part of a chain making illegal sales, but otherwise I am just talking about the seller to the BG.

FtF you still can't sell to an illegal buyer.

 

[easy rider]

So the magic gun fairy handed it out via gun show loophole. I keep hearing about these legendary gunshows but all I end up finding is beef jerky and candles.

At the last gun show I went to I did see some gun belts, and those do fit into the loopholes.

 

[robertc1024]

Not at all. In your example if the BG showed up with a TDL, ok. But if he didn't have ID and has a very nice accent and the seller still sold it, thats an issue to be investigated.

That is exactly my point. How on earth would a seller know for sure (we already know a NICS check won't guarantee it)? I bet it's pretty darn easy to find a perfectly legal buyer in TX with a "very nice accent."

 

[easy rider]

FtF you still can't sell to an illegal buyer.

Can't? I think you mean, are not supposed to. BG selling or even giving to a BG doesn't care what a law says. I think I will just let the authorities deal with the how and where issue.

 

[pronstar]

FtF you still can't sell to an illegal buyer.

Short of speaking with an accent, how is one to know if the buyer is prohibited?

You keep saying the same thing over and over, without addressing the issue of knowing who's legal or not.

The law says "knowingly" and that's what you are glossing over.



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[Shady]

but officer I asked and he told me he was good to go as a buyer.

 

[zincwarrior]

So...you're really arguing the NICS is worthless? That does not support arguments when antigunners want universal background checks.

 

[jrbfishn]

I sell guns at work all the time. You would be surprised at the number of illegals that speak perfect English. And the number of LEGAL citizens that have more accent than illegals.
Without universal registration and backround checks on ALL transfers, there is no way of knowing for sure. Then, they just get them illegally. Steal them, or buy them on the black market doesn't matter. If they want them, they WILL get them.

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[TheDan]

But if he didn't have ID and has a very nice accent...