DOJ Reclassifies Bump Stocks as Machine Guns

[Renegade]

I guess we have to wait till 2020 to see who is correct.

I will be surprised if he survives impeachment next spring.

 

[SQLGeek]

And depending what other pots he stirs if he keeps up with what he is doing and the market stays up and unemployment low its going to be hard for a Republican to take his spot.

If the DJIA keeps doing what it has been this past week, he's toast.

 

[avvidclif]

So which of the Dimocrats are you going to vote for????

 

[seeker_two]

I don't know if Trump is a RINO but he is a one term president. He alienated his base Friday. He is way out of his league.

Signing the Omnibus Spending Bill alienated his base. There's a lot of bad law in that bill....

....guess we read his lips.

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[TX OMFS]

well he alienated a small section of his base.

In my opinion he is still way better than any other choice we had in the Primaries.

And depending what other pots he stirs if he keeps up with what he is doing and the market stays up and unemployment low its going to be hard for a Republican to take his spot.

Market stays up? After he throws on a few more tariffs? Are you joking?

 

[TX OMFS]

Signing the Omnibus Spending Bill alienated his base. There's a lot of bad law in that bill....

....guess we read his lips.

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Exactly. Donald failed to learn from George.

 

[TAZ]

Actually, no.

See: https://www.justice.gov/file/1046006/download

It's a long read but I went through it all. My thoughts, including comments on binary triggers and, by extension, Miculeks finger, are in the other thread, here: https://www.texasguntalk.com/threads/doj-releases-bump-stock-ban-notice.85341/

Thanks for the link. Not as bad as it can be. Still don’t like it that they can deem item A legal today and then turn around and make it illegal tomorrow, then force people to destroy property they have invested $$ in. It’s been a while since HS government, but I seem to remember that idea being bad for some reason. Not a good precedent IMO. Seems someone is already starting the law suit process.

Hope all the owners mail their units to the WH for destruction.

Trump didn’t do himself many favors with the bump stock and Omnibus bill. The GOP screwed themselves decades ago IMO. They have a few precious months left to get their stuff together or they will rightfully be handed a bloodbath in November. Trump isn’t running in Nov, so the GOP will have to be able to stand on their own. Allowing that crap omnibus bill through negated the feeble tax bill they squeezed out of their butt holes. No Obamacare repeal. No progress on securing the border. No end to lobbing billions of $$ overseas. Most items millions of trump supporters showed up for hasn’t materialized. Their time may well be up if those folks thumb their noses at the GOP and stay home.

 

[Shady]

its a joke that I am taking all the way to the bank when I look at my retirement accounts compared to before he took office.

Market stays up? After he throws on a few more tariffs? Are you joking?

 

[Darkpriest667]

So rather than keep Trump what I hear is apathy and crying by the people who need to definitely keep Trump. Because if you don't keep Trump you'll get worse. You'll get a progressive democrat and then everyone on this board will be a criminal.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So rather than keep Trump what I hear is apathy and crying by the people who need to definitely keep Trump. Because if you don't keep Trump you'll get worse. You'll get a progressive democrat and then everyone on this board will be a criminal.

It's like a bad day fishing, beats a good day at work.

 

[satx78247]

I will be surprised if he survives impeachment next spring.

Renegade,

You really should "wake up & smell the coffee"; the DIMocRATS will howl/moan/complain/carp/whine but they will NOT actually try to impeach President Trump, as they KNOW that that will make MIKE PENCE the POTUS & they have NOBODY who has a prayer of defeating Pence in 2020, 2024 or any other year.

The DIMs have lost the Electoral College vote for a generation & they aren't foolish enough to not know that FACT.

yours, satx

 

[satx78247]

To All,

Fwiw, I don't own a "bump stock" and don't want one (The "bump stocks" are a WASTE of perfectly good ammunition, imo.) BUT neither do I want to see the BATFE outlaw anything by fiat.

What I do want is the BATFE & at least 80 of the current federal LE agencies ABOLISHED & replaced with no more than 2 or 3 agencies. ====> Having 80+ different LE agencies, each with their own administrative bureaucracy, is FOOLISH & WASTEFUL.
(It makes ZERO difference which badge/credential that a peace officer carries. Further, we can carefully watch 2-3 LE agencies but 80+ are impossible to watch carefully.)

IF it was my choice, ALL of the current agencies would be replaced with the USMS & the USPS Inspectors OR the Treasury agents, as those are the three oldest federal LE agencies.
(Also, the USCG should be removed from under Homeland Security & returned to the DoD, permanently.)
IF we abolished all but 2-3 federal LE agencies, we could CUT the current budget expenditure for LE by at least a THIRD & W/O effecting the actual LE misson, which is to protect the citizens from criminals.

just my OPINION as "an old but not bold" & now fully retired peace officer, satx

 

[TX OMFS]

So rather than keep Trump what I hear is apathy and crying by the people who need to definitely keep Trump. Because if you don't keep Trump you'll get worse. You'll get a progressive democrat and then everyone on this board will be a criminal.

Hard times make tough men. I'm about tired of good times and pajama boys.

 

[satx78247]

So rather than keep Trump what I hear is apathy and crying by the people who need to definitely keep Trump. Because if you don't keep Trump you'll get worse. You'll get a progressive democrat and then everyone on this board will be a criminal.

Darkpriest667,

100% CORRECT, imo.

yours, satx

 

[benenglish]

Having 80+ different LE agencies, each with their own administrative bureaucracy, is FOOLISH & WASTEFUL.

I agree, but...

IF it was my choice, ALL of the current agencies would be replaced with the USMS & the USPS Inspectors OR the Treasury agents,

...while I have the utmost respect for Special Agents within Treasury, I'm not sure how well this idea would work.

How much would a generally competent Special Agent or Federal Marshall know about, say, Railroad Retirement Board fraud? The RRB has their own Special Agents because they deal with a very specialized area of law that it's impossible to teach anyone under "Other duties as assigned." You have to specialize in it to be able to understand it.

Any laws that are slightly obscure would either go unenforced or would have to be enforced by specialty groups within a broader agency umbrella. If the latter happened, those specialty groups would be able to get away with murder. Their supervisors more than one level up would have no idea what they were doing. Management oversight wouldn't just suffer, it would be nonexistent.

If you want to have fewer agencies enforcing the law, I really think the only way to achieve that is to have fewer laws.

 

[Charlie]

".....I think the only way to achieve that is to have fewer laws."
You are correct, but I don't think that will ever happen.

 

[satx78247]

I agree, but......while I have the utmost respect for Special Agents within Treasury, I'm not sure how well this idea would work.

How much would a generally competent Special Agent or Federal Marshall know about, say, Railroad Retirement Board fraud? The RRB has their own Special Agents because they deal with a very specialized area of law that it's impossible to teach anyone under "Other duties as assigned." You have to specialize in it to be able to understand it.

Any laws that are slightly obscure would either go unenforced or would have to be enforced by specialty groups within a broader agency umbrella. If the latter happened, those specialty groups would be able to get away with murder. Their supervisors more than one level up would have no idea what they were doing. Management oversight wouldn't just suffer, it would be nonexistent.

If you want to have fewer agencies enforcing the law, I really think the only way to achieve that is to have fewer laws.

benenglish,

We would NOT have to get rid of "specialty agents" if we followed my suggestion. A would be as simple as having a separate office under the 2 or 3 BIG "umbrella" agencies that do the "paperwork" & preform essentially the same daily routines that are common to ALL federal bureaucracies = As I said, it makes NO difference whatever WHICH badge/credential that an agent carries or who "cuts the checks".

What WOULD happen is that we would STOP wasting HUGE amounts of taxpayer's dollars on 80+ different payroll offices, HR departments, groups of clerks (who are doing the same jobs) & a lot of other NEEDLESS duplication of effort.
(In 2006, which was the year that I retired, I was working "up on the hill" & was present in a Congressional hearing when an agency head admitted under oath that the "special agents of his department" had made no apprehensions nor had performed any actual active investigations in that fiscal year AND he further admitted, under close questioning, that the agents were NOT likely to do any investigations in the immediate future. When "cornered" by a questioner, he also admitted that he was "unaware of what apprehensions that had been made in the past". He opined that "I'm sure that they are doing other important things".)

As I said, a GREAT DEAL of taxpayer's money is being lost to FRAUD, WASTE & ABUSE by numerous federal agencies & to no good purpose.

just my OPINION, satx

 

[Renegade]

So rather than keep Trump what I hear is apathy and crying by the people who need to definitely keep Trump. Because if you don't keep Trump you'll get worse. You'll get a progressive democrat and then everyone on this board will be a criminal.

Are the Republicans not allowed to have a 2020 primary?

 

[Renegade]

Renegade,

You really should "wake up & smell the coffee"; the DIMocRATS will howl/moan/complain/carp/whine but they will NOT actually try to impeach President Trump, as they KNOW that that will make MIKE PENCE the POTUS & they have NOBODY who has a prayer of defeating Pence in 2020, 2024 or any other year.

The DIMs have lost the Electoral College vote for a generation & they aren't foolish enough to not know that FACT.

yours, satx

ROFL. Numerous times the Dems have been so consumed with the agenda they passed it anyway without any view to the consequences.

Trump as 0% chance of winning in 2020, and >50% chance of being impeached if Dems win in 2018.

 

[satx78247]

ROFL. Numerous times the Dems have been so consumed with the agenda they passed it anyway without any view to the consequences.

Trump as 0% chance of winning in 2020, and >50% chance of being impeached if Dems win in 2018.

Renegade,

Keep dreaming. = Trump will win in 2020, barring some truly unforeseen calamity & then he will be followed by 8 years of MIKE PENCE as POTUS.

The DIMs are FINISHED in the Electoral College for a LONG time to come, as they are now so far left that they are losing THOUSANDS of registered Democrats each month.

yours, satx