Las Vegas chase and shootout

[FireInTheWire]

 

[TX OMFS]

Must have been a 9mm if he needed a mag change. As for the perp, I'm not sad.

 

[Frank59]

The second guessing of the officers actions is pathetic! These punks had just murdered a man and the officer was aware of who he was chasing. I don't care if he was shooting through the glass window of a crowded restraunt. These scumbags needed to be stopped at all costs.

 

[Byrd666]

The second guessing of the officers actions is pathetic! These punks had just murdered a man and the officer was aware of who he was chasing. I don't care if he was shooting through the glass window of a crowded restraunt. These scumbags needed to be stopped at all costs.

Who said a F'ing thing about second guessing? I just want to know the answer to my question.

 

[AustinN4]

These scumbags needed to be stopped at all costs.

So, if he had killed 5 civilians in the process, it would have been OK with you?

 

[Frank59]

So, if he had killed 5 civilians in the process, it would have been OK with you?

By the same token, would it be ok with you if the scumbags who shot at the officer more than 30 times had killed 5 civilians and the cop did nothing?

 

[AustinN4]

By the same token, would it be ok with you if the scumbags who shot at the officer more than 30 times had killed 5 civilians and the cop did nothing?

I asked first, you answer first.

Edited to add: I notice Frank59 has be absent since I asked him to answer my question first.

 

[easy rider]

Usually you wait for backup, the officer following I believe should have been more concerned with relaying information. If he had shot and killed a civilian he would have been raked over the coals, therefore he's lucky.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Seems like he could have pitted him.
He was beside him at one point.

Really easy to second guess watching the video.

 

[MTA]

Pretty crazy

 

[V-Tach]

It had a pretty good ending.....doesn't always work that way......

Glad the good guy won.....the rest of it will be handled by those whose job it is to do so......

I know personally a Deputy who fired through his windshield to stop a bad guy...bad guy lost.....

Just like us.....they will be judged for what they do......

 

[Brains]

Seems like he could have pitted him.
He was beside him at one point.

Really easy to second guess watching the video.

I thought about that too, but in retrospect I don't think it would have been a good attempt. To successfully PIT, he would have needed to linger for a moment to line up the bumper, and have enough available street width to push the lead vehicle as close to steering lock as possible. Those road conditions didn't really allow for it, especially with the amount of traffic. Not to mention I'm not sure his driving would have been precise enough given his stress level.

Honestly it looked like he did pretty well with his shots, at least from what you can tell from the video. All things considered and watching it after-the-fact, of course.

 

[sharkey]

And a question to all the LEO types out there. Since when has it become SOP to shoot at a bad guy through the windshield? This video is the fourth or fifth one where I've seen a cop do that.

Justified deviation from policy. We use to say it was in all how you wrote it up but that was in the 90's and things have changed. It's a wonder you see police chases at all now.

 

[sharkey]

Usually you wait for backup, the officer following I believe should have been more concerned with relaying information. If he had shot and killed a civilian he would have been raked over the coals, therefore he's lucky.

Luck favors the prepared individual When dealing with humans, things rarely go perfectly. IF the officer had shot an innocent civilian, he would have to answer for that but he didn't. 1 POS was killed. The only better outcome was IF 2 POS were killed. We entrust LE to serve and protect and I ain't gonna fault the guy for his actions when he was chasing 2 murderers.

 

[diesel1959]

And a question to all the LEO types out there. Since when has it become SOP to shoot at a bad guy through the windshield? This video is the fourth or fifth one where I've seen a cop do that.

Reality vs Hollywood. Reality can dictate that you shoot right through the windshield and training often indicates that it can be effective. It permits aimed fire, and it permits it immediately--without the necessity to un-ass the patrol vehicle.

 

[oldag]

The second guessing of the officers actions is pathetic! These punks had just murdered a man and the officer was aware of who he was chasing. I don't care if he was shooting through the glass window of a crowded restraunt. These scumbags needed to be stopped at all costs.

So you would have been okay with a stray bullet killing one of your loved ones who was unfortunate enough to be driving on the same street?

 

[oldag]

Usually you wait for backup, the officer following I believe should have been more concerned with relaying information. If he had shot and killed a civilian he would have been raked over the coals, therefore he's lucky.

Umm, if he had killed an innocent person with a stray bullet the reprimand would be the least of his worries. He would have to live the rest of life knowing he had killed an innocent.

 

[oldag]

I thought about that too, but in retrospect I don't think it would have been a good attempt. To successfully PIT, he would have needed to linger for a moment to line up the bumper, and have enough available street width to push the lead vehicle as close to steering lock as possible. Those road conditions didn't really allow for it, especially with the amount of traffic. Not to mention I'm not sure his driving would have been precise enough given his stress level.

Honestly it looked like he did pretty well with his shots, at least from what you can tell from the video. All things considered and watching it after-the-fact, of course.

One really cannot tell where all of those shots went.

 

[diesel1959]

So you would have been okay with a stray bullet killing one of your loved ones who was unfortunate enough to be driving on the same street?

No; however, a stray bullet hitting/killing a bystander would be an added charge placed upon the offender and NOT the officer, so long as the officer's legal status in making the shot (defense of self, defense of others) was in line with Chapter 9 of the Penal Code. Which it was. I don't know the law in Nevada, but in Texas, that would have been justifiable use of force and any injuries that flowed from the unlawful acts of the violator(s) and the righteous response by the officer(s) would be laid at the feet of the violator(s).

 

[Byrd666]

Reality vs Hollywood. Reality can dictate that you shoot right through the windshield and training often indicates that it can be effective. It permits aimed fire, and it permits it immediately--without the necessity to un-ass the patrol vehicle.

Okay, that was known and understood.