What Makes NFA long Waiting Periods ?

[CyberWolf]

I usually don't sleep very much...

 

[Pops1955]

Y'alls may be looking at this the wong way, which is why it doesn't seem to make any sense...

It's not about just lethargy for it's own sake, It's about Deterrence - and if you think of it as such, the time-strech starts to make much more sense.

A $200 Stamp might not seem like much of a deterrent nowadays, but when NFA went into place, $200 was prohibitively expensive for many folks. But adjusted for inflation? How many would be willing to cough up ~$4k (current equivalent) for that same stamp now? Fortunately, that didn't happen.

41F was all about trying to correct that by making the process more difficult and off-putting with more needless BS and red tape. It won't stop anyone from getting their stamp, but if between the extra hassle and already excessive processing time it weeds out the impatient and/or on-the-fence buyers, well, that's a tangible reduction in numbers (with a nice bonus being the excuse to shut down F1 e-file for a long time which pushed them down even further), and a solid win for the 'crats. For them, the longer it takes, the better.

The key is just to not sweat over the delay. Send in your stuff then get it out of your mind, and it will be a nice surprise when the stamp(s) come in.

BINGO !!!!!

 

[baboon]

Someone once told me they seen pictures and it wasn't just files on desks , but boxes of files lining the hall ways to examiners offices. IMHO BATFE examiners are about as good as the post office employees. Federal employee unions are as much to blame!

 

[toddnjoyce]

Say this infographic on ATFs website. Though dated, I’d be willing to bet there aren’t a whole lot more examiners, and a whole lot more NFA transfers.

That’s roughly one form processed every 10 mins, by every examiner, every day. Disclaimer: standard federal work year (1920 hrs) used.

 

[grumper]

Combination of sheer volume of transfers, no incentive to hustle, and the very good examiners get promoted to other roles.

The number of form 1s and 4s submitted are off the charts and NFA branch doesn't see a dime of the tax revenue generated. For the examiners after they finish a wheelbarrow of forms, all they can look forward to is another pile of forms. Sounds like mind numbing work.

The truly stellar examiners get promoted to tech specialists or other roles at NFA Branch. This leaves the interns, new hires, and disgruntled who don't give a damn to do the forms.

 

[motorcarman]

If you want LESS of something, you TAX it.
If you want MORE of something, you SUBSIDIZE it.

Firearms = TAX
Food stamps, Welfare = SUBSIDIZE

bob

 

[sergeant69]

Combination of sheer volume of transfers, no incentive to hustle, and the very good examiners get promoted to other roles.

The number of form 1s and 4s submitted are off the charts and NFA branch doesn't see a dime of the tax revenue generated. For the examiners after they finish a wheelbarrow of forms, all they can look forward to is another pile of forms. Sounds like mind numbing work.

The truly stellar examiners get promoted to tech specialists or other roles at NFA Branch. This leaves the interns, new hires, and disgruntled who don't give a damn to do the forms.

what makes a stellar examiner? how many he processes each day? like others have said.....put the damn name etc etc into a computer and it spits a yes or no. just like a 4473. they "examine" nothing. they simply read a reply screen that flags the request or it doesn't. its either "oh shit look at this one" or "next". where am i wrong here?

 

[toddnjoyce]

what makes a stellar examiner? how many he processes each day? like others have said.....put the damn name etc etc into a computer and it spits a yes or no. just like a 4473. they "examine" nothing. they simply read a reply screen that flags the request or it doesn't. its either "oh shit look at this one" or "next". where am i wrong here?

Being on time to work. Following the process. Meeting processing goals. Minimizing processing errors. Correct disposition of the record(s). Good attitude.

Full job classification criteria here.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-ove...-schedule-positions/standards/0900/gs0963.pdf

ETA: Job Announcement (expired, but recent)

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Bure...burg,WV?ojob=80c068da747c06f6f699db084c6a83e4

 

[motorcarman]

I heard that internet Porn site traffic was UP during the gov't shutdown.
Why just watch porn when you are HOME when you can do the same at work??

bob

 

[smittyb]

Why just watch porn when you are HOME when you can do the same at work??

bob

Hell, that’s what I’ve always said as well!
Kids can’t catch me at work, either!

 

[lonestardiver]

I heard that internet Porn site traffic was UP during the gov't shutdown.
Why just watch porn when you are HOME when you can do the same at work??

bob

Over in some parts of Europe they can’t stop you from watching porn at work. They can’t tie your name to a userid and what you access online while at the office.

 

[digger]

I have to ask for my own curiosity.

Why pay more than your firearm is worth for a suppressor AND after baring your soul to the govt knowing if you move without informing that govt a crime is committed AND then paying that govt another 200.00 for just another tax on your income WHEN you can buy any number of hearing protection and use with the minimal effort for less than that TAX alone.

Then consider saying it is to prevent spooking game or other people that just supports the NFA position!

I am all in on the “Hearing Protection Act” but until that is pushed thru ……….govt (including paul ryan) can KMA.

Just Sayin

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Because we can...

 

[toddnjoyce]

I have to ask for my own curiosity.

Why pay more than your firearm is worth for a suppressor AND after baring your soul to the govt knowing if you move without informing that govt a crime is committed AND then paying that govt another 200.00 for just another tax on your income WHEN you can buy any number of hearing protection and use with the minimal effort for less than that TAX alone.

Then consider saying it is to prevent spooking game or other people that just supports the NFA position!

I am all in on the “Hearing Protection Act” but until that is pushed thru ……….govt (including paul ryan) can KMA.

Just Sayin

This is part of the legal argument in Kettler v US, to be heard by SCOTUS this year, that the tax stamp has ceased being a tax and is now just a prohibitive regulation disguised as a tax.


More discussion in the GOA takes on NFA thread.

 

[smittyb]

I have to ask for my own curiosity.

Why pay more than your firearm is worth for a suppressor AND after baring your soul to the govt knowing if you move without informing that govt a crime is committed AND then paying that govt another 200.00 for just another tax on your income WHEN you can buy any number of hearing protection and use with the minimal effort for less than that TAX alone.

Then consider saying it is to prevent spooking game or other people that just supports the NFA position!

I am all in on the “Hearing Protection Act” but until that is pushed thru ……….govt (including paul ryan) can KMA.

Just Sayin

Cause I want to.

 

[Joshua - Capitol Armory]

In regards to the wait times... it's not the extreme conspiracy theories people think it is. The office is at capacity for fire code, so no new employees. They adhere to a budget, so no expansion or streamlining the process. As an agency, they basically have their hands tied as far as expansion or progress. (That's not the NFA branch, that's the more powerful folks above them.)

Now, you're constrained for space and workforce and get hundreds of thousands of things to sort through. THAT is what takes a long time. Think about it like paying bills... paying a bill doesn't take too long on it's own. Now, what if 1000 bills came every day and only you could pay them.

Just like going to a bar on New Year's eve... pouring a drink doesn't take a long time. Dealing with the billion other people wanting the same thing at the same time is the issue.

 

[FireInTheWire]

I rarely laugh-out-loud but that one did it.


HKS

LOL... great movie. That sums it up right there!

 

[FireInTheWire]

Y'alls may be looking at this the wong way, which is why it doesn't seem to make any sense...

It's not about just lethargy for it's own sake, It's about Deterrence - and if you think of it as such, the time-strech starts to make much more sense.

A $200 Stamp might not seem like much of a deterrent nowadays, but when NFA went into place, $200 was prohibitively expensive for many folks. But adjusted for inflation? How many would be willing to cough up ~$4k (current equivalent) for that same stamp now? Fortunately, that didn't happen.

41F was all about trying to correct that by making the process more difficult and off-putting with more needless BS and red tape. It won't stop anyone from getting their stamp, but if between the extra hassle and already excessive processing time it weeds out the impatient and/or on-the-fence buyers, well, that's a tangible reduction in numbers (with a nice bonus being the excuse to shut down F1 e-file for a long time which pushed them down even further), and a solid win for the 'crats. For them, the longer it takes, the better.

The key is just to not sweat over the delay. Send in your stuff then get it out of your mind, and it will be a nice surprise when the stamp(s) come in.

Damn good post^^^

 

[FireInTheWire]

I have to ask for my own curiosity.

Why pay more than your firearm is worth for a suppressor AND after baring your soul to the govt knowing if you move without informing that govt a crime is committed AND then paying that govt another 200.00 for just another tax on your income WHEN you can buy any number of hearing protection and use with the minimal effort for less than that TAX alone.

Then consider saying it is to prevent spooking game or other people that just supports the NFA position!

I am all in on the “Hearing Protection Act” but until that is pushed thru ……….govt (including paul ryan) can KMA.

Just Sayin

Have you ever shot a rifle with a suppressor on it?

 

[baboon]

Have you ever shot a rifle with a suppressor on it?

Could be his hearing is still fine!