Open Carry - Just your opinions. Let's try not to debate just hear everyone out.

[Renegade]

Ok then...

To me open carry is like saying to the bank robbers "I'm a real threat to what you are going to do so shoot me first and go about your business."

To me open carry is like saying to the bank robbers "go rob someone else or wait till they leave."

 

[majormadmax]

I really do prefer CC over OC in the regular old day to day world. I think you all know I am anything BUT anti-gun here. I'm not saying OC will cause more problems, just that it's unnecessary for the most part, especially in a city / heavy population area. I think having to have a license to carry is a tad idiotic for a law abiding citizen. We already have laws governing WHO can legally own a gun, that ought to cover it.

We all have opinions.

That pretty much sums up my opinion on the subject as well.

But, as we all know, the only people that gun laws restrict are law-abiding citizens...

 

[SIG_Fiend]

The one root problem at the heart of all these debates on various subjects is the fact that in the last 100yrs the level of advanced education and availability of education has become so easy that, technically, everyone should be a friggin engineer by now. Instead, what we have seen in many ways is a social, political, and civil retardation of people's minds over the last couple hundred years or so. To put it simply, as intelligent as people may be in various sciences and other modern and advanced technologies or other things, a majority of people are ultimately fucking idiots nowadays. Decade after decade of catering to the lowest common denominator, rewarding failure and punishing success, we are reaping the seeds of failure that we've sown.

I may have a bit of an "unrealistic" and idealist attitude, considering the current idiocy factor, but that is because I feel like compromise and progressivism only supports these failures. IMO, continuing to support these failures certainly will not improve them. What I'm getting at is, at this point in time if everyone tomorrow started open carrying guns across the country, yes the number of accidental shootings would likely increase as well as other examples of stupidity. However, if you ease into pushing things of that nature into the mainstream and working to do away with all the irrational social attitudes towards these things, eventually we may be able to get back to a point where people are less of morons and to where the simple mention of the word gun or the sight of one being carried lawfully will not cause someone to freak out. The only way we will EVER accomplish this is if we start taking back all of these media outlets that have been turned against us. We MUST take back the news media, academia, social media, political offices, etc. We should have our own major TV shows, watched by millions and pushing positive gun ownership messages. We should have our own TV PSA's about gun safety and keeping that damn finger off the bang switch. We should have academic societies that push forth truthful and substantiated information about firearms. We should have major Hollywood stars pushing positive messages about responsible firearms ownership, taking classes, etc. Things will never change for the better until we start putting that responsibility back into people's hands, training and encouraging them, while still holding them accountable. Make no mistake, ALL of these avenues of social and political change have been brought to bear against us and are constantly assaulting us everyday. We cannot afford to compromise anymore. Anyways. :rant off:

 

[Bithabus]

Also we should get rid of the '86 machine gun ban. I need a P90.

 

[TexasRedneck]

Screw the P90 - ah want an Uzi....an' a 1919....M16...Thompson....BAR....

 

[MR Redneck]

The one root problem at the heart of all these debates on various subjects is the fact that in the last 100yrs the level of advanced education and availability of education has become so easy that, technically, everyone should be a friggin engineer by now. Instead, what we have seen in many ways is a social, political, and civil retardation of people's minds over the last couple hundred years or so. To put it simply, as intelligent as people may be in various sciences and other modern and advanced technologies or other things, a majority of people are ultimately fucking idiots nowadays. Decade after decade of catering to the lowest common denominator, rewarding failure and punishing success, we are reaping the seeds of failure that we've sown.

I may have a bit of an "unrealistic" and idealist attitude, considering the current idiocy factor, but that is because I feel like compromise and progressivism only supports these failures. IMO, continuing to support these failures certainly will not improve them. What I'm getting at is, at this point in time if everyone tomorrow started open carrying guns across the country, yes the number of accidental shootings would likely increase as well as other examples of stupidity. However, if you ease into pushing things of that nature into the mainstream and working to do away with all the irrational social attitudes towards these things, eventually we may be able to get back to a point where people are less of morons and to where the simple mention of the word gun or the sight of one being carried lawfully will not cause someone to freak out. The only way we will EVER accomplish this is if we start taking back all of these media outlets that have been turned against us. We MUST take back the news media, academia, social media, political offices, etc. We should have our own major TV shows, watched by millions and pushing positive gun ownership messages. We should have our own TV PSA's about gun safety and keeping that damn finger off the bang switch. We should have academic societies that push forth truthful and substantiated information about firearms. We should have major Hollywood stars pushing positive messages about responsible firearms ownership, taking classes, etc. Things will never change for the better until we start putting that responsibility back into people's hands, training and encouraging them, while still holding them accountable. Make no mistake, ALL of these avenues of social and political change have been brought to bear against us and are constantly assaulting us everyday. We cannot afford to compromise anymore. Anyways. :rant off:

Great Rant!!!, but not a rant at all. Your statement prooves the point of a discussion I had with some elected officials last week. To restore the respect to our Constitutional right, I think Texas going to Constitutional carry would promote that. Take Arizona for example. The California libtards aint moving there, their comming to Texas. If Texas were to go Constitutional Carry, the liberals wouldnt want to be here. The chance of them making Austin, Houston, or the DFW gun free zone have been shot down by McDonaldVs. Chicago.. My opinion is shared by the majority of Texans, make Texas Constitutional!!! The libtards will GTFO!!! Texas can and must lead by example, and if other states were to follow the Example, order would be restored..

 

[Bithabus]

Screw the P90 - ah want an Uzi....an' a 1919....M16...Thompson....BAR....

Well I would carry the P90, concealed

 

[SC-Texas]

Lets see who the hypcrites are in this thread: If you call yourself a conservative and a supporter of the second amendment, you have to support Open carry or you are a hypocrite!

Why?

A conservative wants fewer laws and less restricitons on the populace: Tehre ought to be a law is the democrat's path to hell and too many conservatives walk down that path becasue they think "There ought to be a law" about something and then justifiy it.

A conservative supports the constitution and a broad interpretation of the restrictions placed on government. Therefore, a true conservative would support an expansive interpretation of the second amendment and that would include few or no restrioctions on the carry of and owernship of firearms and severe restrictions on the government passing laws concerning firearms, ownership and carry..

People, you either are or you aren't, You either do or you don't . . . there are not in-betweens! Its kind of like the old joke about . . . .

Never mind . . .

 

[MR Redneck]

Lets see who the hypcrites are in this thread: If you call yourself a conservative and a supporter of the second amendment, you have to support Open carry or you are a hypocrite!

Why?

A conservative wants fewer laws and less restricitons on the populace: Tehre ought to be a law is the democrat's path to hell and too many conservatives walk down that path becasue they think "There ought to be a law" about something and then justifiy it.

A conservative supports the constitution and a broad interpretation of the restrictions placed on government. Therefore, a true conservative would support an expansive interpretation of the second amendment and that would include few or no restrioctions on the carry of and owernship of firearms and severe restrictions on the government passing laws concerning firearms, ownership and carry..

People, you either are or you aren't, You either do or you don't . . . there are not in-betweens! Its kind of like the old joke about . . . .

Never mind . . .

Damn straight!!!

 

[zembonez]

Lets see who the hypcrites are in this thread: If you call yourself a conservative and a supporter of the second amendment, you have to support Open carry or you are a hypocrite!

Why?

A conservative wants fewer laws and less restricitons on the populace: Tehre ought to be a law is the democrat's path to hell and too many conservatives walk down that path becasue they think "There ought to be a law" about something and then justifiy it.

A conservative supports the constitution and a broad interpretation of the restrictions placed on government. Therefore, a true conservative would support an expansive interpretation of the second amendment and that would include few or no restrioctions on the carry of and owernship of firearms and severe restrictions on the government passing laws concerning firearms, ownership and carry..

People, you either are or you aren't, You either do or you don't . . . there are not in-betweens! Its kind of like the old joke about . . . .

Never mind . . .

Good job of painting the whole discussion with a broad brush of what YOU think is the definition of a conservative. Not all conservatives support every point you make. I wish I could believe that was a reality. Frankly I don't think much of what you say is even possible anymore given the complexity of the US government and the layers of "laws" on the books. Maybe in a dream world? We've been pretty screwed over by the government for so long now I'm not sure we can recover. This notion that people can operate unrestricted sounds fine and dandy - until you look at the bulging population of idiots among us... I have little doubt that most in here could handle life without many limits, but most of the general public would have some real problems functioning. They need regulation just to survive.

Like I say... it SOUNDS good.....

 

[MR Redneck]

Good job of painting the whole discussion with a broad brush of what YOU think is the definition of a conservative. Not all conservatives support every point you make. I wish I could believe that was a reality. Frankly I don't think much of what you say is even possible anymore given the complexity of the US government and the layers of "laws" on the books. Maybe in a dream world? We've been pretty screwed over by the government for so long now I'm not sure we can recover. This notion that people can operate unrestricted sounds fine and dandy - until you look at the bulging population of idiots among us... I have little doubt that most in here could handle life without many limits, but most of the general public would have some real problems functioning. They need regulation just to survive.

Like I say... it SOUNDS good.....

I could function a whole lot better without all them damn restricting and laws. And thats a fact!!
I would save money to. Me breaking all them laws all the time doesnt do nothin but keep me in trouble and cost me money. One thing that pisses me off more than anything is to get in trouble for breakin some stupid law I never even knew we had!!!
Leave people alone if they aint bothering nobody!!! Thats the way it should be!

 

[SC-Texas]

Well sorry Zembonez, but operationally you either are a conservative and have the same general beliefs that conservatives have or you aren't.


My version of conservatism is the old school . . . . smaller government, fewer laws, more expansive individual rights and less intrusion of the government into personal lives of the citizens.


Its that simple.

Open carry falls under all three of the basic core conservative beliefs:
1. More expansive individual rights i.e. an expansive interpretation of the bill of rights and restriction on government legislative power
2. Less intrustion into the individual's life by government . . .
3. Fewer laws, lawsuits and criminal actions agasint citizens for non-criminal behavior.

Zembonez, you either beleive in something or you don't.

You either start taking government back or let it continue to grow and take over you.

Zembonez says its too late and it can't be done . . . That is defeatist and I do not accept that.


2010 is a NO SHRUG year. I am not letting any anti gun, anti 2nd amendment statements or positions go unchallenged.

2011 and 2012 will be the same.

Zembonez . . . . I respect your right to have an opinion even if I beleive that it is as wrong as Chamberlain appeasing the Nazis in the late 1930s.

 

[SC-Texas]

Maybe in a dream world? We've been pretty screwed over by the government for so long now I'm not sure we can recover. This notion that people can operate unrestricted sounds fine and dandy - until you look at the bulging population of idiots among us... I have little doubt that most in here could handle life without many limits, but most of the general public would have some real problems functioning. They need regulation just to survive.

One other thing, you accuse me of painting too broadly yet you read into my post that there should be NO laws . . .i.e. anarchy.

No where did i say that. No where did I say we should have no laws. I simply said that the laws limiting personal freedom and a citizens choice should be limited to the minimum necessary for a free society.

 

[Bithabus]

Discussions like this show a person's true character.

I am genuinely disturbed by the fact that on a Texas gun forum some members are against unrestricted carry of firearms by Americans. The damage done to our nation by Liberalism is worse than I thought.

 

[MR Redneck]

Discussions like this show a person's true character.

I am genuinely disturbed by the fact that on a Texas gun forum some members are against unrestricted carry of firearms by Americans. The damage done to our nation by Liberalism is worse than I thought.

Yea!! Unrestricted carry means people can defend themselfs anywhere they go. Thats how is should be.
Government property, State Property it doesnt matter. WE OWN the state and the government. The only place you should be restricted is on PRIVATE property. The owner should decide what they will allow.

 

[SC-Texas]

Remeber, we all have our opinions.

I am just relatively uncompromising when it comes to the 2nd amendment.

One issue that i have with Zembonez's thoguht process is that he isn't calling for a law banning open carry of rifles and shotguns.

But for somereason handguns on a belt or should holster are different?

 

[Mongo]

I personally will never open carry off private property regardless of the law but it should not be restricted at any level. Texas is in need of open carry very badly just to protect the CHL holders. Since your CHL can be pulled and you charged if your CCW is seen, open carry would take care of this. Also the weather here sucks for concealed carry.

I agree, with SC, why can we carry long arms but not pistols? Hell I can carry any C3 weapon I want, even machine pistols or pistols registered as SBR since Texas does not consider them pistols.

I guess I'm a radical since I believe that there should not be any gun laws except those that limit sales to those on probation or illegally here.

 

[Vellcrow]

I open carried in Arizona for 8 years. It worked there, it can work here.

 

[zembonez]

Well. I see that I've created a firestorm of deep thought into what Zembonez believes. That's interesting even though about 75% of it is overblown for the sake of trying to vilify my differing opinion. That's typical. It's even OK. Somebody has to be the target of dislike. Since I don't give a ****, I guess it can be me. Many of the tinfoil hat wearers here seem to think a civilized society can exist without any rules or regulations. I'd like for somebody... ANYBODY to show me where a similar method of managing a population has existed successfully? Hell, we can't keep couples married these days, how the hell are we gonna turn loose this bunch of idiots and not expect them to drown in the rain?

Many accuse ME of possessing an opinion based on emotion, yet every one of these so called "good conservative" posts are bulging with it.

For the record here I am not asking for the ban of anything. I think government is out of control and about 75% too big (and incapable of doing anything right). We have too many laws on the books now, but good luck getting 20% of America to go along with unrestricted anything.

With this post, I'll bow out gracefully and let you guys all scurry over into the only admissible corner of this place and celebrate your big win!

Cheers!

 

[MR Redneck]

Well. I see that I've created a firestorm of deep thought into what Zembonez believes. That's interesting even though about 75% of it is overblown bullshit for the sake of trying to vilify my differing opinion. That's typical. It's even OK. Somebody has to be the target of dislike. Since I don't give a ****, I guess it can be me. Many of the tinfoil hat wearers here seem to think a civilized society can exist without any rules or regulations. I'd like for somebody... ANYBODY to show me where a similar method of managing a population has existed successfully? Hell, we can't keep couples married these days, how the hell are we gonna turn loose this bunch of idiots and not expect them to drown in the rain?

Many accuse ME of possessing an opinion based on emotion, yet every one of these so called "good conservative" posts are bulging with it.

For the record here I am not asking for the ban of anything. We have too many laws on the books now, but good luck getting 20% of America to go along with unrestricted anything.

We dont hate you Bonez. We just dont understand ya. I dont wear a tinfoil hat, its orange w/camo on it, has a picture of a deer crossing the road sign full of bullet holes. Says Redneck target practice under the sign. neither do I carry a concealed firearm like you do.. HAA!!
Crime, well lets see, without the illegal Mexican problem Arizona has pretty low crime. Vermont, Why Adopt a Vermont-style CCW Law?.. Man that place is more civil than anywhere else.
Anyway, Im one of these Conservitive people who cant help but to disagree with you. Im not going to call people who choose to exercise their right idiots, I call them American.
Restricting the public only makes it easier for criminal.