My BBQ gun setup
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Wildcat Diva
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Oh I really like some of those in the last link. Thanks for taking the time to look for me.
Wildcat Diva
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Very nice, thanks.
Yeah, well..... I, um....kinda....maybe.... sorta... forgot, to...um.....mention that..
Oops
Well you asked, so I will oblige by telling you what I think:
Your holster is too far forward and the forward cant added to that only goes to make a takeaway by an adversary easier while making it tougher for you to retain. I like that you got one with a thumb snap but think about what I just said before I said that. Your thumb snap is there for an assailant to pop open almost without trying while you getting your hand or elbow over it is not impossible but harder for you than for an assailant to grab it. I have always preferred a straight up/down (or close to it) for my outside the waist band holsters (which are almost all of them). I had collateral duties as a firearms instructor for 16 years with my agency and one of the things I taught was weapons retention and another was weapons takeaways. Either take it as good advice or take that with a grain of salt as you please.
I have had assailants attempt to take away my sidearm at least twice in a duke it out, wrestle match, street fight, kicking, gouging, bashing and biting (and I still have a scar from the bite in one fight but kept hold of my weapon that the dirtbag tried to grab and then do what) sort of a thing. I was able to retain my firearms in essentially the same type of holster you are showing; however I did not allow my weapons to jut out forward like that - in effect offering them to my opponents. Nor would I wear it too far back at the point where I would not be able to fairly easily grab/cover it with hand or cover it with forearm or elbow while trying to retain it.
In addition, I find that drawing a handgun with a cant like that is much more unnatural and difficult for me than drawing it from a straight up an down vertical position. I imagine with enough practice it could become second nature but look at where your hand is in that photo of yours and tell yourself - would it be easier for your hand to move straight up to a grip above it or to the grip on the angle it is on in your photo to draw it and or to retain it.
Is it easier for your left hand to draw, sure it is but as I said it is also easier for your assailant to take away. I can effectively draw my weapon from the vertical with my off hand just as I can protect it with my strong hand, my off hand, my strong forearm and my strong elbow.
Oh, as for the loop position on your jeans, if you don't like it where it sits because of where the holster then sits, take it off and have another one or two loops sewn on; or buy and wear different pants. What is more important, where you wear your carry piece or how well those jeans fit you.
As I basically said above, just some food for thought or as they say my two cents; do what you want with it, the decision is yours. Whatever you decide on, you should practice drawing and retention techniques with that holster/gun-type combination. If you use a real gun (which I do not recommend), remember to assure there is no ammo in the gun nor anywhere near it when doing such practice; and bear in mind it is much better and much safer to practice retention and drawing (even takeaway) techniques using a non-firing/un-loadable blue gun sort of a thing).
All the best,
Glenn B
Wow, Great stuff. Maybe I need to rethink my carry options, or better yet avoid those situations all together.
Situational awareness goes a long way to avoid someone trying to take your gun away or even you needing to draw it to defend yourself. That is all well and good. The truth is though, if you carry, you do so for a reason and no matter how aware you may be of your surroundings you cannot always avoid trouble but instead either have to run/hide, surrender/comply and be at the assailant's mercy, or fight for your life. If you wind up in a fight, you should be prepared to do your best to retain your weapon or to access it as it may be needed. Then again, I wonder, since you say you would be better off avoiding those situations altogether, have you considered the other option - simply that you do not carry and go unarmed and thus you would avoid any situation involving you being armed? As for me, I prefer to carry and to be at least somewhat ready for what may happen despite me trying to remain situationally aware of my surroundings.
No, I consider all my options but I also know no matter how much you train or prepare shit happens. I feel confident in my ability at this point. But I appreciate the heads up ; )
Wildcat Diva
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Yeah, I knew the holster was too far forward, but I just threw it on and besides I didn’t really want the internet picture focusing so much on my ass, anyway.
Thanks for the feedback. It IS good advice.
Usually, when I’m going to be wearing this fancy setup, I’m going to be in a setting where I’m among friends, in a safe environment. I will for sure practice my draw and shooting (off hand), but let’s be honest, such a setup as THIS ONE in my case is first for show, function is second.
If I wanted to focus on primarily function as well as a more efficient setup, I would be wearing my Glock and that would be on my left side since I am left handed.
As far as weapon retention and a fight, I will surely do my best, but again, let’s be frank and consider that I know nothing of fighting and have never so much as landed a punch in my life, and I have very little strength. I have read a book to teach me some targeted aggressive/opportunistic tactics needed to survive a life threatening fight (Tim Larkin’s Survive the Unthinkable) but reading a book is not the same as practicing.
There ARE risks to carrying, as well as risks to OPEN CARRYING, I get that. Where I am at (small town) I feel pretty safe as far as not being jumped. It’s not happened to me yet, living here, in about half a century.
The odds are in my favor for remaining safe if I dare to have a bit of ostentatious fun with the 2A.
Thanks for the feedback. It IS good advice.
Usually, when I’m going to be wearing this fancy setup, I’m going to be in a setting where I’m among friends, in a safe environment. I will for sure practice my draw and shooting (off hand), but let’s be honest, such a setup as THIS ONE in my case is first for show, function is second.
If I wanted to focus on primarily function as well as a more efficient setup, I would be wearing my Glock and that would be on my left side since I am left handed.
As far as weapon retention and a fight, I will surely do my best, but again, let’s be frank and consider that I know nothing of fighting and have never so much as landed a punch in my life, and I have very little strength. I have read a book to teach me some targeted aggressive/opportunistic tactics needed to survive a life threatening fight (Tim Larkin’s Survive the Unthinkable) but reading a book is not the same as practicing.
There ARE risks to carrying, as well as risks to OPEN CARRYING, I get that. Where I am at (small town) I feel pretty safe as far as not being jumped. It’s not happened to me yet, living here, in about half a century.
The odds are in my favor for remaining safe if I dare to have a bit of ostentatious fun with the 2A.
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Glenn B,
Agreed 100%. - That is why when I was still working OCONUS that I routinely carried a "deep hideout piece" & a small but razor-sharp sleeve dagger for close-in defense, in case that I lost my primary weapon.
No matter how aware that you are of threats, you may one day face a sudden & life-threatening event. = An extra weapon or more MIGHT be the difference in life & death OR a debilitating wound.
just my OPINION, satx
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