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  • Whistler

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    And... So the ignore list grows.

    Chuck and Nancy were for the wall before they were against it, they were against illegal immigration, they wrote the laws and castigate Trump for enforcing them. Point is the hypocrisy with the Liberals is hip deep while they fabricate fantasy after fantasy to invalidate election results they don't like of a leader they can't manipulate and won't "go along to get along".

    I know my breath is wasted and rational discussion beyond hope. For that reason I simply point out a few examples of the rampant partisan cognitive dissonance, enable ignore and avoid the frustration altogether.

    Bless your heart, may you find peace on your journey.
     

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    Too tender to hear a differing opinion, eh? View attachment 194503


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    If you could give an example of an impeachable offense Trump has committed, and show evidence of that offense that isn’t just hearsay, others may be more willing to listen to your opinion.


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    Darkpriest667

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    I really can't wrap my head around many of the talking points the TDS sufferers are staking their future on.

    "Foreign influence in our elections."
    Debunked and dismissed by nearly everyone. Ask anyone, liberal, libertarian, republican, whatever - "Did Russia change your mind on how you voted in 2016?"

    "Quid Pro Quo"
    Debunked.

    "Withheld military aid"
    They got the money, on time.

    "Personal favors to win the 2020 election"
    See the first point. Has the Ukraine changed your mind?

    etc. etc. etc.

    Wrong they got the money EARLIER THAN EXPECTED
     

    brashears9567

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    If you could give an example of an impeachable offense Trump has committed, and show evidence of that offense that isn’t just hearsay, others may be more willing to listen to your opinion.


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    He can't....


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    If you could give an example of an impeachable offense Trump has committed, and show evidence of that offense that isn’t just hearsay, others may be more willing to listen to your opinion.


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    There is no act he could do that you would deem impeachable. That’s the nature of cults. Trump was right; he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and all that ....


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    And a bunch of anti tank missiles.

    They’ve gotten more from Trump than they ever did from the previous administration.


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    This is correct. Obama’s Ukraine policy was shameful. Unfortunately, the aid from the Trump administration was only released after they learned the whistleblower was making its claim to Congress.


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    If you could give an example of an impeachable offense Trump has committed, and show evidence of that offense that isn’t just hearsay, others may be more willing to listen to your opinion.


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    Abuse of Power
    Obstruction of Congress
    Obstruction of Justice
    Extortion
    Bribery
    Conspiracy to Defraud the U.S.
    Federal Campaign Violations
    Honest Services Fraud


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    You missed the part about evidence. You just said a bunch of things. Anyone can make baseless claims about anyone at anytime, it’s evidence that matters.




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    This is correct. Obama’s Ukraine policy was shameful. Unfortunately, the aid from the Trump administration was only released after they learned the whistleblower was making its claim to Congress.


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    The whistleblower didn’t have any first hand knowledge and his claim has been debunked. That’s why the Dems aren’t using it in their “case” for impeachment.

    Even the Ukrainians are saying the whole quid pro quo thing is untrue. When the supposed victim denies the crime, it’s a sign of a pretty weak case.


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    The whistleblower didn’t have any first hand knowledge and his claim has been debunked. That’s why the Dems aren’t using it in their “case” for impeachment.

    Even the Ukrainians are saying the whole quid pro quo thing is untrue. When the supposed victim denies the crime, it’s a sign of a pretty weak case.


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    Seriously, you’re surprised that the Ukrainians (the Victims) deny they were extorted? A country that desperately needs US support of all types. You’re surprised they don’t want to get on the bad side of a President who is a proven vindictive person. They are facing an invader with 100 times their capabilities and you can’t understand why their new president doesn’t want to get into this crap.


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    There is no act he could do that you would deem impeachable. That’s the nature of cults. Trump was right; he could shoot someone on fifth avenue and all that ....


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    I don’t know why you think that. I’m no cult member and have criticized Trump on this forum.

    You are using the cult claim as a way to discredit anyone who disagrees with you, yet your opinion seems to run in opposition to evidence. We have watched the Dems jump from topic to topic waiting for something to stick. 3 years of Russia collusion investigations turned up nothing, then it jumped to Ukraine, and trying to tie back to Russia, despite much harsher sanctions against Russia and much more support for Ukraine, and ignoring the fact that Ukraine was involved in election meddling and arguably to a greater extent and with more influence than Russia. Ukraine now argues against the quid pro quo narrative, the witnesses supporting the narrative are all basing this on an opinion, witnesses that claim they told Ukrainians they would need to open and investigation and announce it on Television admit they were not told any of this by Trump and the Ukrainians claim they were never told this by anyone. Other witnesses are simply testifying to their opinion that they were unhappy with Trumps actions, but none had any first hand knowledge of quid pro quo.

    How on earth can anyone draw such a firm conclusion of guilt with a case built on such ridiculous foundations?


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    Seriously, you’re surprised that the Ukrainians (the Victims) deny they were extorted? A country that desperately needs US support of all types. You’re surprised they don’t want to get on the bad side of a President who is a proven vindictive person. They are facing an invader with 100 times their capabilities and you can’t understand why their new president doesn’t want to get into this crap.


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    Yes, because they get their money from Congress. If Trump is holding back funds as you say it would be in their best interest to have him out of the way.

    Aside from that, you can not assign motive to their denial in order to confirm your previous conclusion. That’s not how our justice system works.


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    Yes, because they get their money from Congress. If Trump is holding back funds as you say it would be in their best interest to have him out of the way.

    Aside from that, you can not assign motive to their denial in order to confirm your previous conclusion. That’s not how our justice system works.


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    It’s not a criminal trial, it’s an impeachment. This is actually how it works: Trump will be impeached in the house and acquitted in the Senate.


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    It’s not a criminal trial, it’s an impeachment. This is actually how it works: Trump will be impeached in the house and acquitted in the Senate.


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    It’s still evidence based.


    You still haven’t provided any evidence to support any of the impeachable offenses you claim took place. This is why most of the country isn’t supporting impeachment (most recent aggregate polls).

    Unless your asserting that impeachment is nothing more than a political tool to be used when a party has a large enough majority to overturn the will of the people (election), evidence is needed. The idea of supporting an impeachment for no other reason than political gain is pretty disgusting and an affront to our constitutional republic.


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    It's easy for someone suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    I agree with the term TDS; people who support a democrat because his name is Trump and he has the “R” in front of his name. Is it the spending and sky rocketing deficit/debt you love so much, the tariffs, or the fake religiosity?


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    I agree with the term TDS; people who support a democrat because his name is Trump and he has the “R” in front of his name. Is it the spending and sky rocketing deficit/debt you love so much, the tariffs, or the fake religiosity?


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    Booming economy, low unemployment, increasing wages, lower taxes, stronger military, increase national security, increased enforcement of immigration law, etc.


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