VA and protecting the 2A

[Texasgrillchef]

First and foremost what everyone needs to understand is that 99.9% of us that fully support the 2A have no desire for any loss of life any where or any time. We have every desire possible to have the issues currently going on in Virginia and other states to come to a peaceable conclusion. We don’t want to be involved in any forceful violent action in a defensive or offensive role if we can prevent it.


However...


Honestly, personally, & IMHO, unless the Democrat Governor, AG, and VA congress stands down on these bills that they are proposing, there will end up being a huge loss of life on all sides. This includes Leo’s, Politicians, National Guard, Citizens, Militia’s and others. This issue won’t wait for SCOTUS to decide if Va attempts to enforce these laws prior to the decision. Not unless there is an injunction preventing enforcement until SCOTUS makes that decision.


Sadly, if SCOTUS doesnt find against Virginia, it will cause a huge uprising and the loss of lives Nation wide on all sides of the issue, guilty and innocent, ending with the country in a Civil War.


This time it wont be North and South with clear war borders but pro gun states fighting anti gun states or even simply pro-gun neighbors fighting anti-gun neighbors.


One thing every democrat or anyone else for that matter needs to understand is that the 2A is so ingrained in so many millions of Americans that most of us will NEVER give up our guns without killing us first. If we are going to be killed, we will take as many down with us as we can! Understand that we believe in our 2A constitutional right so much that we will fight and die for it. Personally my dad, my grand father and his father, and his fathers father and ever generation preceding him were in the Military, and as a collective, have fought in every war the United States has been in since the revolutionary war. They all fought to protect the constitution of the United States. I know for a fact I am not the only one that can make this claim as well. We all will do what we need to do. I know my dad and his dad, and his dads dad etc... would be proud to know I am willing to stand up against tyrants and those willing to abuse the constitution.


Again understand there are millions of Americans that will NEVER give up their guns without you attempting to kill them first, and if you do they will take more of YOU down with them if that happens.


We will NEVER comply!!!! Ever!


Understand I am not suggesting violence of any kind, nor am I speculating.

I am stating fact from information I have gathered from many others on all sides of the issue.


Give me Liberty or Give me Death

 

[vmax]

We saw a similar thing go down in NY.

Everyone was upset about the pending unconstitutional laws about to be passed in NY.
And what happened? They got passed anyway and that was over 5 years ago.
So far, all State Supreme Courts and Federal courts have , for the most part upheld it and the peasants there are either complying to keeping their mouth shut like a good subject.

This is what the people in these areas do when they are subjected to unjust laws.

On the other hand, look at what happened with the Bundy Standoff out west.
Those people stood up, to the Feds and they had people coming from several states away to support them.

Different people for sure.

 

[oldag]

Part of me wants to think that this hare-brained legislation will not even make it to the floor for a vote.

Yet, liberals have pulled more stupid stunts.

There will not be any pro-gun neighbor vs anti-gun neighbor. The anti-guns have nothing with which to fight. They could only snitch.

If people refuse to comply, the only way confiscation can be accomplished is if either local, state or federal law enforcement or national guard attempts to do so. The result will depend on the solidarity and willingness to sacrifice of those who will defend the Constitution.

 

[busykngt]

I suspect before it turns to bloodshed, it will play out in economic sanctions. Most likely, the state trying to withhold money from the counties, the cities or other offending 2A sanctuary entities. Of course, since state government does nothing to “create” wealth, they only ‘collect’ tax money, it’s rather problematical how they’ll come by this money if the spicket is turned off, at the local levels.

 

[TheMailMan]

What's a spicket?

 

[BRD@66]

What's a spicket?

kind of like a spigot only spelt differently.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

We saw a similar thing go down in NY.

Everyone was upset about the pending unconstitutional laws about to be passed in NY.
And what happened? They got passed anyway and that was over 5 years ago.
So far, all State Supreme Courts and Federal courts have , for the most part upheld it and the peasants there are either complying to keeping their mouth shut like a good subject.

This is what the people in these areas do when they are subjected to unjust laws.

On the other hand, look at what happened with the Bundy Standoff out west.
Those people stood up, to the Feds and they had people coming from several states away to support them.

Different people for sure.

If you study History around the world, you will see that humans will tolerate a certain amount of injustice for a certain amount of time before they start protesting, eventually when enough injustice occurs and when all hope has been lost for a possible positive resolution then people will revolt and have a revolution or civil war. It has happened for centuries. There have been many revolutions and civil wars all over the world going back hundreds and thousands of years. Several are even going on as we speak.

There are always people who will never do anything to those who will go as far as giving their lives for the cause. The point a revolution or civically war happens, is when enough of the people are willing to do more and in some cases willing to give their lives for the cause they are fighting for.

Look at our own revolution. Depending on which data you want to look at, roughly 30% of Americans did not want the revolution, they supported the British. There was another 10-15% that did nothing to help either side. They didn’t support the British or The revolution.

Like the ole saying some people are all talk and no action.

There are many in New York, California, and many other states that are not yet willing to take up very much action to fight the cause of protecting our 2A.

It is actually awesome to see what’s happening in VA right now and the number of people actually finally starting get up off the couch and doing something. I just hope it doesn’t fizzle after the VA legislature passes the laws anyways.

Sadly I have Zero confidence in anything positive coming out of the VA Legislature by the Rally happening in Va on Jan 20th.
I really hope it does. But I have no confidence it will.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Part of me wants to think that this hare-brained legislation will not even make it to the floor for a vote.

Yet, liberals have pulled more stupid stunts.

There will not be any pro-gun neighbor vs anti-gun neighbor. The anti-guns have nothing with which to fight. They could only snitch.

If people refuse to comply, the only way confiscation can be accomplished is if either local, state or federal law enforcement or national guard attempts to do so. The result will depend on the solidarity and willingness to sacrifice of those who will defend the Constitution.

I am actually excited for a change that the citizens of Va have gotten off the couch to do more and get their cities and counties, prosecutors and sheriffs departments to become a 2A city/county.

I am glad to see them holding a rally on Jan 20th.

What I wonder and have little confidence that any of that though will change their minds and sadly the bills will still be passed.

My biggest fear, is that once they sadly pass, that most will ack down when they start enforcing those laws and start confiscation.
I wonder how many will break down and comply.

 

[easy rider]

In understanding the Constitution and it's Amendments, one has to realize that they are a set of instructions. These instructions are made for officials in government (Federal, state and local). When these officials are sworn into to office, they swear to uphold these instructions.

The 2nd Amendment not only states that citizens have the right to bear arms, but also puts those officials on notice, that those arms are necessary to the security of a free state. This has nothing to do with a state's national guard, for they are sworn to uphold the Constitution also.

The only way that a state government can enforce disarmament with the national guard is through martial law, and martial law is the opposite of a free state.

Here are a few quotes from the founding fathers:

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776 (Ironic huh?)

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824

 

[easy rider]

Now I'm not saying I agree 100% with this, but in this video he brings up interesting points. One of the first videos I had seen from this guy was quite some time ago about a 2nd civil war, and in Virginia some of what he had said is starting to come to past. The first half of the video is about Virginia, but the second half, about impeachment, kinda boils over to what is happening in Virginia:

 

[oldag]

Now I'm not saying I agree 100% with this, but in this video he brings up interesting points. One of the first videos I had seen from this guy was quite some time ago about a 2nd civil war, and in Virginia some of what he had said is starting to come to past. The first half of the video is about Virginia, but the second half, about impeachment, kinda boils over to what is happening in Virginia:

Guy needs to learn to be more succinct.

 

[easy rider]

Guy needs to learn to be more succinct.

Yeah, but you can get the gist.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

If this case gets heard by SCOTUS it will make a huge impact on what happens in Virginia.

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/worman-v-healey/

 

[easy rider]

If this case gets heard by SCOTUS it will make a huge impact on what happens in Virginia.

https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/worman-v-healey/

What exactly is disproportionately mean? Out of over 38K gun related death, nearly 23K were suicides, over 14K were homicides (non mass murder) and 71 was considered mass murder this year. Not sure what number of that was with a so called assault weapon.

 

[tonelar]

Why does VA law go immediately to SCOTUS? IIRC there are local, state, circuit followed by the SC.

 

[rotor]

If the you know what hits the fan don't count on the national guard to disobey orders. They have shot innocent civilians in the past and they would do it again. Civilians may have "assault" rifles but the military has tanks, other armored vehicle, aircraft, you name it. This would not be our muskets to their muskets fight. I predict a complete rollover by Virginia citizens. They may not comply but they wont fight.

 

[busykngt]

Why does VA law go immediately to SCOTUS? IIRC there are local, state, circuit followed by the SC.

Did somebody say Virginia law challenges go immediately to SCOTUS? Who said that?

 

[easy rider]

If the you know what hits the fan don't count on the national guard to disobey orders. They have shot innocent civilians in the past and they would do it again. Civilians may have "assault" rifles but the military has tanks, other armored vehicle, aircraft, you name it. This would not be our muskets to their muskets fight. I predict a complete rollover by Virginia citizens. They may not comply but they wont fight.

Yeah, that certainly looks like what they are getting ready to do.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Why does VA law go immediately to SCOTUS? IIRC there are local, state, circuit followed by the SC.

No case begins with SCOTUS unless it is started by congress or the President.

 

[tonelar]

Did somebody say Virginia law challenges go immediately to SCOTUS? Who said that?

Now I can’t find the post. Maybe they were referencing the current challenge before SCOTUS (NYRPA vs NY)? Which would put local jurisdictions on notice (if found in our favor).