Solvent traps listed on tx gun trader

[SQLGeek]

HPA was working its way through the committee steps then Las Vegas happened and in 15 minutes Hillary was saying he was using a “silencer”


I’m sure it’s all another coincidence

Coward ass GOP. Nothing stops the Dems from ramming their crappy laws down our throats.

 

[vmax]

Coward ass GOP. Nothing stops the Dems from ramming their crappy laws down our throats.

If you will watch.. and look, nearly every time a new pro 2A bill gets close to passing, a shooting will happen

 

[GeorgeS]

I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for "constructive intent". Can anyone cite a case, or is this all internet rumor?

 

[Axxe55]

I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for "constructive intent". Can anyone cite a case, or is this all internet rumor?

I can't cite any specific cases, but "constructive intent" is real. IMO, it's pretty vague and allows them too much leeway for their own interpretation of whether a law was actually broken. Sort of like if a man has a penis, then he could be considered a rapist!

 

[GeorgeS]

Absent citations, it's only 'real' in your mind.

 

[Axxe55]

Absent citations, it's only 'real' in your mind.

Umm...Okay then.

https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/07/08/nfa-and-constructive-possession-myth-or-reality/

https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/09/01/florida-man-arrested-for-constructive-possession-of-an-sbr/

https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/case-law-on-constructive-intent.304411/

https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download

https://www.quora.com/How-does-cons...they-can-charge-me-with-owning-an-illegal-SBR

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1l0msy/how_far_has_constructive_intent_actually_been/

Happy now?

 

[candcallen]

Absent citations, it's only 'real' in your mind.

Technically it's only real in the minds of the ATF depending on the way the wind blows. They flip flop on shit alot.

People have been charged with this "constructive intent" bs, later changed to a more prosecutorial friendly "constructive possession". Both for SBR parts and "machine gun" parts. All that I know of were related to AR 15 stuff and, iirc, charges were dropped out right or as part of a plea agreement. With one exception I'll mention later.

The ATF did shut down several "solvent trap" manufacturers a few years ago by threatening prosecution.

Ofcourse the issue is just how stupid can they be. Anyone with a tool box and a block of metal can technically have constructive possession but they gotta prove it.

The only conviction I know of, and no I'm not digging it up cause I couldn't care less if anyone is demanding proof, is a guy possessed an AR that supposedly went full auto on accident and the guy who made the full auto AR and had parts to make more. For reference, his claim was the AR went full auto on accident and as a result of work done by another guy. Both were charged and the constructive possession charge was applied to the supposed gun Smithas he had the parts to make more. That's all I can remember but it should be easy to find. It was discussed heavily on several sites including fart.com. Excuse me ar15.com.

All of this is easily found on line with simple google searches .

The reason this is a stupid concept is the modularity of the AR platform. If you have a full auto BCG do you intend to make a machine gun? What about a parts kit from a full auto gun and your lowers aren't compatible? Or you own AR pistols and rifles, are you really intent on making illegal SBR?

As for solvent traps, you are basically one hole away from a suppressor. Have a Drill? Can you drill a hole? Why not use a plastic bottle like comes in many cleaning kits? The solvent trap that is for all intents and purposes a suppressor minus a hole drilled in the end cap is screaming for this type of prosecution. Someone will be the test case eventually. It's just too easy to prove especially if they made others or have an end cap with a hole drilled in it but havnt alterd the solvent trap its self.

This is stupid as are most gun laws. It's also stupid to think that the ATF won't again turn their attention to these as I'm sure some retard some where has already made a suppressor out of one of these and when he is caught and the ATF leadership has the backing of the gooberment they will come for those. How hard will they come? Tell you to destroy, register, or prosecute? Time will tell.

Gun laws are stupid and you should have a right to all of this stuff so dont think I'm saying any different.

 

[FireInTheWire]

Nothing wrong with a solvent trap.

I just dont like looking over my shoulder

 

[TX OMFS]

Thought crimes are total BS. Either you committed a crime or you didn't.

But, almost everyone here knows this already so I'm preaching to the choir. And people who like HKs.

 

[smittyb]

I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for "constructive intent". Can anyone cite a case, or is this all internet rumor?

Well, it’s been around since before the internet existed, so it’s not just internet rumor.
I remember my Dad talking about it with T/C Contenders when I was just a lol fella, way before there was a court case on it.

 

[candcallen]

Thought crimes, process crimes and traps should get the prosecutor tarred n feathered.

 

[oldag]

Thought crimes are total BS. Either you committed a crime or you didn't.

But, almost everyone here knows this already so I'm preaching to the choir. And people who like HKs.

Humph. Well, I guess you disagree with "hate crimes" too? {/sarcasm}

 

[busykngt]

If you will watch.. and look, nearly every time a new pro 2A bill gets close to passing, a shooting will happen

Sure seems that way to me too. I’m not a tinfoil hat wearing member of any sort of conspiracy cult but timing of some of these shootings are quite coincidental. And while I personally consider all these “mass shooters” to be crazy, flipped out individuals, it never fails to amaze me, as to what “triggered” them. So many times their motive (& timing) remain unknown. The thought, “why now?” has entered my mind more than once.

Maybe this November, the U.S. House can be flipped and a new attempt to have suppressors removed from the NFA, can be made. While gun laws in Europe are generally more restrictive than here in the U.S., from what I’ve read, suppressors are not regulated at all - you can buy them off the shelf, like any other item. In fact, in many areas [of Europe], it’s considered ‘neighbor friendly’ to use silencers when shooting outdoors.

 

[GeorgeS]

Umm...Okay then.

https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/07/08/nfa-and-constructive-possession-myth-or-reality/

https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/09/01/florida-man-arrested-for-constructive-possession-of-an-sbr/

https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/case-law-on-constructive-intent.304411/

https://www.atf.gov/file/55526/download

https://www.quora.com/How-does-cons...they-can-charge-me-with-owning-an-illegal-SBR

https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1l0msy/how_far_has_constructive_intent_actually_been/

Happy now?

Not a single link points to 'constructive intent'. 'Constructive possession' is a different matter, but most solvent trap kits cannot be used as a suppressor without certain work being performed.

This is an internet myth propagated by FUDDs and armchair lawyers.

 

[Shady]

I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for "constructive intent". Can anyone cite a case, or is this all internet rumor?

Its more of an add on charge. I do not recall the case and I know I cant find it

But there was a stop made and the guy did have a short length upper and a rifle lower taken a part in the trunk. I do not recall what he was charged with and if he was ever convicted.

Disregard I am not going to try and find it just call it fake news.

 

[GeorgeS]

Just call it anecdotal.

 

[DoubleDuty]

Well if you are willing to take a chance go for it. The possibility of losing your 2nd amendment rights and your freedom is worth 200 dollars even though we rightfully shouldn't have to.

 

[Axxe55]

Not a single link points to 'constructive intent'. 'Constructive possession' is a different matter, but most solvent trap kits cannot be used as a suppressor without certain work being performed.

This is an internet myth propagated by FUDDs and armchair lawyers.

Believe whatever suits you then. It's there, whether you choose to believe it or not. At no point do I agree with it, since as I stated, it's very vague and open to interpretation by the BATF. And I have read of cases in the past of them filing federal firearms law violations because of it.

And it's apparent you are are going to disbelieve anything I post about this subject, so you have yourself a nice evening, as I am not going to dally back and forth with you any more about it.

 

[studenygreg]

What if your solvent trap identifies as a compensator?

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[Axxe55]

What if your solvent trap identifies as a compensator?

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I guess it could, since there are companies that make fake suppressors.