HB1359, introduce today... For Texas Secession

[gll]

Let's assume for a moment that the absurd notion of Texas seceding were to actually occur. What would happen to Texas' economy? Our entire domestic output would be banned from interstate commerce. We would have to become the sole consumers of our own domestic output, unless we want to sell to China. An economic "wall" would be put around the state that would cripple the economy. Beware unintended consequences.

Lol! No...

 

[cycleguy2300]

Let's assume for a moment that the absurd notion of Texas seceding were to actually occur. What would happen to Texas' economy? Our entire domestic output would be banned from interstate commerce. We would have to become the sole consumers of our own domestic output, unless we want to sell to China. An economic "wall" would be put around the state that would cripple the economy. Beware unintended consequences.

Why would that be? We have a major port, good infrastructure, oil, food and other stuff...

There is no reason for the USA to not permit Texas to export to the 49 States, and even if they did, plenty of other places would buy what we have.

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[contender buff]

Let's assume for a moment that the absurd notion of Texas seceding were to actually occur. What would happen to Texas' economy? Our entire domestic output would be banned from interstate commerce. We would have to become the sole consumers of our own domestic output, unless we want to sell to China. An economic "wall" would be put around the state that would cripple the economy. Beware unintended consequences.

I say let the people decided ! After all we’re the ones who have to put up with the government ,we should exercise our 1st amendment right.

 

[gll]

I say let the people decided ! After all we’re the ones who have to put up with the government ,we should exercise our 1st amendment right.

That's all this non-binding referendum is about, letting the people express their opinion on their future by their vote...

I don't see how anybody can oppose that!

 

[Dragonheart]

Fact is we are in a War! So I either give up my Freedom, God Given Rights and submit or I fight. Our Founding Fathers as well as my family established a precedent a long time ago and I am too stubborn and too old to get on my knees.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Let's assume for a moment that the absurd notion of Texas seceding were to actually occur. What would happen to Texas' economy? Our entire domestic output would be banned from interstate commerce. We would have to become the sole consumers of our own domestic output, unless we want to sell to China. An economic "wall" would be put around the state that would cripple the economy. Beware unintended consequences.

You fail to realize that 74% of our production is sold to other countries. That includes agriculture, high tech, oil and gas, among many of our other commodities and products and services that we provide to the world.

You also fail to realize as well, that the rest of the country won’t be able to survive on only the oil and gas produced by the other 49 states. The rest of the country needs our oil and gas production. Not if they expect to keep gas prices below the $8/gallon mark.

If we do succeed, our economy in Texas may actually improve because we won’t have to follow the same liberal economic policies that have killed California and are now starting to kill the rest of the nation.

There won’t be any embargo, their won’t be any trade sanctions.

Also keep in mind that their are several countries that will support and help with secession. Countries such asRussia have already pledged their support.

Don’t forget that our so called GNP separated from the USA would rank as the 10th largest in the world.

Will the road to secession be easy? Absolutely not, will it be short? Absolutely not.

However, if you read the bill closely, even if the vote succeeds in November, all it will do is create a committee to come with a 5 year plan for succession. To actually succeed would require another bill and another statewide vote.

 

[WT_Foxtrot]

Let's assume for a moment that the absurd notion of Texas seceding were to actually occur. What would happen to Texas' economy? Our entire domestic output would be banned from interstate commerce. We would have to become the sole consumers of our own domestic output, unless we want to sell to China. An economic "wall" would be put around the state that would cripple the economy. Beware unintended consequences.

Where do you get the notion that our domestic output would be banned? And banned by who? Awfully bold assumption and a false one. Hardly a roadblock.

A strong case could be made our economy would actually flourish for many of the reasons it does now compared to many other states, but even more so without the encumbrances put in place by Washington.

On our current path, just know it appears there will come a time when you have to choose how much freedom really means. There is a war going on and it's progressing far quicker than many thought.

 

[lonestarCJ]

We should welcome our like minded states to join. it could improve the (future seceded) economy and boost our international status.

 

[Rhino]

We should welcome our like minded states to join. it could improve the (future seceded) economy and boost our international status.

Those who agree just need to focus on getting Texas off the ground first. Lead the way and others will follow.

 

[Dr.Herb]

I've been reading this and it occurred to me what would stop the democrat enclaves (Houston, Dallas, Austin, El Paso and San Antonio ) from seceding from Texas. They could argue that if Texas can break away from the USA, then they have every right to ask their residents if they wish to do the same to Texas.
Those 5 cities have about 7 million people which is about 1/4 of the state's population and are deep blue. It wouldn't be a hard sell considering how easy it is to vote - there are a lot of dead people in Texas cemeteries that probably feel disenfranchised

Personally, I don't think this would happen mostly because politicians canNOT be trusted to do what is right but can be trusted to do what is easy especially if it lines their pockets. Also the 50 or so billionaires in Texas need the rest of country, they are too heavily invested in it to let us poor rubes interrupt the cash flow.

Just my thoughts

 

[cycleguy2300]

I've been reading this and it occurred to me what would stop the democrat enclaves (Houston, Dallas, Austin, El Paso and San Antonio ) from seceding from Texas. They could argue that if Texas can break away from the USA, then they have every right to ask their residents if they wish to do the same to Texas.
Those 5 cities have about 7 million people which is about 1/4 of the state's population and are deep blue. It wouldn't be a hard sell considering how easy it is to vote - there are a lot of dead people in Texas cemeteries that probably feel disenfranchised

Personally, I don't think this would happen mostly because politicians canNOT be trusted to do what is right but can be trusted to do what is easy especially if it lines their pockets. Also the 50 or so billionaires in Texas need the rest of country, they are too heavily invested in it to let us poor rubes interrupt the cash flow.

Just my thoughts

It may not be worth the USA fighting a hot war to prevent us from leaving, but Houston is a major port and a huge amount of Texas' economy moves through it. Same thing for Dallas, SA and Austin. It would be worth forcing them to stay in Texas, though it may result in a Russia/Ukraine situation where they "ask" the 49 to help them and a limited war against aggression/terrorists or what ever is the ethical fad begins.

"A Parcel of Rogues" as written by Burns and sung by The Corries exemplifies my fear that too many of our lawmakers would be paid off in some way to prevent this from every reaching reality.

English steel we could disdain,
Secure in valor's station,
But English gold has been our bane,
Such a parcel of rogues in the nation....

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[IndyDave1776]

It may not be worth the USA fighting a hot war to prevent us from leaving, but Houston is a major port and a huge amount of Texas' economy moves through it. Same thing for Dallas, SA and Austin. It would be worth forcing them to stay in Texas, though it may result in a Russia/Ukraine situation where they "ask" the 49 to help them and a limited war against aggression/terrorists or what ever is the ethical fad begins

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If San Antonio and Austin asked for help, I would help them. It wouldn't be an easy task by any means but I would take the time to explain to them to gets their heads out from up their asses and engage in some critical thought for a change.

 

[cycleguy2300]

If San Antonio and Austin asked for help, I would help them. It wouldn't be an easy task by any means but I would take the time to explain to them to gets their heads out from up their asses and engage in some critical thought for a change.

I understand your reasoning based in there politics, but ih35 and i10 are pretty important for Texas to keep intact.

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[IndyDave1776]

I understand your reasoning based in there politics, but ih35 and i10 are pretty important for Texas to keep intact.

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I would also point out that constitutionally the federal government exists under the auspices of a joint agreement of the states. Municipalities exist under the auspices of the state government. If they have a problem then they can use those highways to go west until they hit water, and if they are bright enough to stop before they drown, stay there.

 

[Glenn B]

If passed HB1359, would put the vote to the people of Texas the question of Secession of Texas from the United States of America to form The Republic of Texas!

I would love to this pass and the Vote go to the people of Texas.

Now don’t assume I would vote yes to secede. But I would love to see it go to a vote. This would send a clear message to Washington and a clear FU to Biden.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/87R/billtext/pdf/HB01359I.pdf#navpanes=0

And if it was voted down that would send a clear message to Biden and all leftiosts, they are the winners.

 

[Rhino]

They wouldn't take "all" of Dallas, Houston, or the other cities. Maybe 60%, and a very dense area?

 

[cycleguy2300]

I would also point out that constitutionally the federal government exists under the auspices of a joint agreement of the states. Municipalities exist under the auspices of the state government. If they have a problem then they can use those highways to go west until they hit water, and if they are bright enough to stop before they drown, stay there.

Yes, the unit it the state, the subdivision it the county/city/district.

The Federal Government is paradoxical as the State is still the unit, but through consent and agreement the states share government amongst themselves. The result it the city and county exist at the will of the State as does the Federal government. I.e. Texas isnt beholden to either one of its own cities or the Feds.

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[Texasgrillchef]

I've been reading this and it occurred to me what would stop the democrat enclaves (Houston, Dallas, Austin, El Paso and San Antonio ) from seceding from Texas. They could argue that if Texas can break away from the USA, then they have every right to ask their residents if they wish to do the same to Texas.
Those 5 cities have about 7 million people which is about 1/4 of the state's population and are deep blue. It wouldn't be a hard sell considering how easy it is to vote - there are a lot of dead people in Texas cemeteries that probably feel disenfranchised

Personally, I don't think this would happen mostly because politicians canNOT be trusted to do what is right but can be trusted to do what is easy especially if it lines their pockets. Also the 50 or so billionaires in Texas need the rest of country, they are too heavily invested in it to let us poor rubes interrupt the cash flow.

Just my thoughts

There are several other bills, over a dozen hat are pending in our state congress to actually clean up and help prevent the issues of our November election.

One bill introduced, mandates that the executor of any estate of the death of a Texan is required to file a death certificate with the state election board so that their voter registration may be removed. It also requires that the funeral home, or service also send a copy of death certificate to the election board. Redundancy. The idea of this is to help prevent and remove those who have died from the voting records, so that someone can’t mail in a vote for the deceased.

It’s one of many ways to help reduce voter fraud.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Yes, the unit it the state, the subdivision it the county/city/district.

The Federal Government is paradoxical as the State is still the unit, but through consent and agreement the states share government amongst themselves. The result it the city and county exist at the will of the State as does the Federal government. I.e. Texas isnt beholden to either one of its own cities or the Feds.

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One other thing to note. Is that the other 49 states can in fact legally vote to allow us to secede as well. So even if Biden or some other Liberal wants to try and stop us from seceding. The other 49 states can through several different means agree to give us our freedom

How would red and blue states vote? While not all blue states would want to give us our freedom, Some just might because they won’t be able to stomach the possibility of armed conflict and war. Some red states would vote to let us go as well. A few might not want to let us go because of their fear of what it would do to THEIR economy. I do believe that if we Texans wanted to secede and we asked the other 49 states to let us go. They would vote to let us go,

 

[Texasgrillchef]

It may not be worth the USA fighting a hot war to prevent us from leaving, but Houston is a major port and a huge amount of Texas' economy moves through it. Same thing for Dallas, SA and Austin. It would be worth forcing them to stay in Texas, though it may result in a Russia/Ukraine situation where they "ask" the 49 to help them and a limited war against aggression/terrorists or what ever is the ethical fad begins.

"A Parcel of Rogues" as written by Burns and sung by The Corries exemplifies my fear that too many of our lawmakers would be paid off in some way to prevent this from every reaching reality.

English steel we could disdain,
Secure in valor's station,
But English gold has been our bane,
Such a parcel of rogues in the nation....

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I will agree, politicians and money get paid off. But suffice it to say. There easily could be some lawmakers being paid off to support secession as well! I know of several Texas Billionaires that are fully supporting Texas Secession.