HB1359, introduce today... For Texas Secession

Darkpriest667

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I forgot to add another thing, ditch the US dollar and adopt the Chinese Yuan, if they're going to manipulate their currency the least we could do is adopt it and benefit from it. Again this idea sounds crazy to most of you, but from an economics perspective it's a brilliant strategy.
 

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Another perspective is this that should also be taken into account. There are people that could, and might be those type of people to lead this in the right direction, and be a stable leadership, but may fear being left alone when things do get a little difficult and troubling, only to find themselves holding the bag and no support.

This is exactly why I don't align myself with causes anymore, or groups that look to make radical changes. People are good at talking a big game and will appear all gung-ho and raring to go, until things get a little difficult, or it imposes upon their comfort and convenience. It's also why I have very, very few close friends, which counting them on one hand, still leaves me left over fingers. People are very bad about saying one thing, then doing something completely different. It's why I don't form close bonds with many people, and don't have a lot of faith, or trust in very many. Some might think me a cynic, and I'm comfortable with being labelled as such, but it's a matter of self-preservation and personal survival, and having learned the hard way about people, human nature and what people will do when the chips are down.
I get that, but the founders did deal with that and chose to associate - to hang together rather than separately. It's paradoxical, but you do need to work with others in order to have a better shot of survival, and they clearly made that choice.
 

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They might declare war over Pantex.
They will declare war over any sincere effort to secede. That precedent has long since been set.

This bill is political grandstanding and entertaining fodder for internet talk but anyone who is really serious about secession needs to sober up.
 

Darkpriest667

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They will declare war over any sincere effort to secede. That precedent has long since been set.

This bill is political grandstanding and entertaining fodder for internet talk but anyone who is really serious about secession needs to sober up.
I guess all of the Socialist Republics should have stayed with the USSR as well Ben?
 

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I guess all of the Socialist Republics should have stayed with the USSR as well Ben?
Now, that's a very valid observation. When we're in their position, we'll leave. We won't have to talk about it. That course of action will be obvious to everyone.

But I don't think we can be in their position as it was in the 1990s. The USSR was an artificially stuck-together bunch of different peoples who (mostly) never wanted to be part of the group. When the central authorities, essentially bankrupted after losing the Cold War, lost the will and means to hold on to them and tried various reforms, they didn't buy it. They looked around and decided they could pick up their toys and go home.

Americans are a much more homogeneous people. Yeah, we're incredibly diverse but we think of ourselves as Americans. Well, maybe Texans first but certainly also Americans. We didn't cheer when 9/11 happened because we hate those damn Yankees. They may be damn Yankees but their our damn Yankees and we're all Americans; we got pissed. Plenty of Texans willingly pledged their lives to fight back against the people who struck New York and D.C.

Fundamentally, collectively, we don't see ourselves as sufficiently separate from the USA that we'd walk away. At least not right now and less so with every new person who moves here from California or Oregon or anywhere else. Things would have to get much worse for that to happen, not just here but everywhere else, too. I question if that's even possible, given the uniquely advantageous geopolitics of the USA. We have so many advantages as a group that we've become the greatest nation on Earth.

I grant that secession may come, someday far in the future. But not now and not soon. A bunch more stuff would have to go very wrong before it becomes even a remote possibility.
 

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Most people who yell secession, haven't thought about the end game on the chess board.

One question that quickly comes to mind- Where we gonna get our billions of dollars for a military? Who will be our military? Nukes? Fighter jets? Subs? How would we keep ourselves from just becoming a proxy war country?
Here's another scenario based upon that observation.

IF Texas did secede the United States, and somehow Texas ended up with nuclear weapons, would the United States now consider Texas an enemy?

Reminds me how nervous the United States got in 1962 when the Russians parked nuclear missiles in Cuba.


I would suspect this could make a lot of people north of the Red River nervous!
 

Darkpriest667

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Most people who yell secession, haven't thought about the end game on the chess board.

One question that quickly comes to mind- Where we gonna get our billions of dollars for a military? Who will be our military? Nukes? Fighter jets? Subs? How would we keep ourselves from just becoming a proxy war country?

Look at the Military demographics. We provide 1/5 of all the military personnel. The better question is where is the US going to get it's military for it's wars all over the globe?


Lockheed operates out of DFW. I'm pretty sure they will build us Jets if we so want them. Do we NEED a navy to enforce the gulf of Mexico? Again, if you don't GET IN WARS you don't need as much of a military. A LARGE part of the Military spending is upkeep. A LARGE part of that is upkeep of BASES and personnel in FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

We don't need all that shit. I bet the Texas Military would be fine with 200 MBT, 500 APCs, and less than 150k men, women, and air personnel.

Everyone here keeps forgetting we're the EIGHTH LARGEST ECONOMY ON THE PLANET.

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The economy of the State of Texas is the second largest by GDP in the United States after that of California. It has a gross state product of $1.887 trillion as of 2019. As of 2015, Texas is home to six of the top 50 companies on the Fortune 500 list and 51 overall (third most after New York and California). In 2017, Texas grossed more than $264.5 billion a year in exports—more than the exports of California ($172 billion) and New York ($77.9 billion) combined.

As a sovereign country (2016), Texas would be the 10th largest economy in the world by GDP, ahead of South Korea and Canada and behind Brazil. Texas has the second largest population in the country after California.
 

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