Tex HB1289 Constitutional Carry and other pro gun bills...

[Axxe55]

You are kidding - RIGHT????

Not as far-fetched as you would think Doug. Decades ago, there were school systems that taught gun safety in the school systems. There were more than a few that had shooting sports offered to the students just like football, baseball, golf or chess.

 

[rotor]

I think you are missing my point. I am not opposed to it being offered in the school systems in any way. But it should be made mandatory. Should any child or student have to take a course on gun safety? IMO, no they shouldn't. We have the 2nd Amendment that protects our right to own and possess guns, but it doesn't require a person to own or possess one if they so choose not to.

From your typing I guess you mean it shouldn't be made mandatory. I really don't have strong feelings either way. I learned gun safety at a cub scout camp a million years ago. Certainly NOT from my family. I know some schools have trap shooting lessons for kids but considering how many kids will not learn the constitution or any gun training at home and right now they are not getting much in school either I think that kids should know our history (the constitution) and something about handling guns. They learn condoms don't they?
Fortunately, I have taught my children and grand children but I would guess that the majority of Texas children have not learned gun safety or 2A at home. You can't have a population that is pro 2A if you never learn anything about guns or 2A.

 

[rotor]

And as far as mandatory, Texas does require a hunter safety course for teens that are going to hunt. I probably should take it myself as a kid growing up in NYC we didn't learn much about hunting, just how not to be the prey.

 

[gll]

And as far as mandatory, Texas does require a hunter safety course for teens that are going to hunt. I probably should take it myself as a kid growing up in NYC we didn't learn much about hunting, just how not to be the prey.

I'd be opposed to the same requirement for an adult...

 

[dooladawg]

Back in the day we had the ROTC club in high-school.. do they still have it now?

 

[rotor]

I'd be opposed to the same requirement for an adult...

If I took it it would definitely be elective.

 

[vmax]

In every State I know of, use and safety classes are required to get a drivers license.
Yet still thousands of people a year are killed with vehicles. In "accidents".
There are a lot more out there carry unlicensed every day than you know.
No amount of classes will stop stupid or careless from having "accidents".


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And the right to keep and bare drivers licenses isn't in the Bill of Rights..lol

 

[DoubleDuty]

There is no sensible argument against CC Twenty states have passed it. It has been working just fine.

 

[Axxe55]

And as far as mandatory, Texas does require a hunter safety course for teens that are going to hunt. I probably should take it myself as a kid growing up in NYC we didn't learn much about hunting, just how not to be the prey.

I'd be opposed to the same requirement for an adult...

Only those persons born on, or after Sept. 1st, 1971 are required to complete a successful Hunter Education course in Texas. Minimum age to take the course is 9 years old. Cost is $15.

 

[rotor]

Only those persons born on, or after Sept. 1st, 1971 are required to complete a successful Hunter Education course in Texas. Minimum age to take the course is 9 years old. Cost is $15.

Yet hunting in Texas is now a constitutional right. Mandatory course for you youngsters?

 

[Dougw1515]

Not as far-fetched as you would think Doug. Decades ago, there were school systems that taught gun safety in the school systems. There were more than a few that had shooting sports offered to the students just like football, baseball, golf or chess.

Yup... I'm aware of that. But... That was then when educators had an interest in preparing their students for life. There is no way I'd trust todays educators within a country mile of either a firearm or the 2nd Amendment.

 

[gll]

Back in the day we had the ROTC club in high-school.. do they still have it now?

Some schools do, but I think it is an elective course, rather than a club... My San Antonio high school had, and still has, Army ROTC.

In the early '70s my issue weapon was an M-14, drill team got Garands. Imagine bouncing Garands off asphalt today... I'd cry, lol!

 

[gll]

Yup... I'm aware of that. But... That was then when educators had an interest in preparing their students for life. There is no way I'd trust todays educators within a country mile of either a firearm or the 2nd Amendment.

Now you sound like a 2A elitist...

Not all gun training and education requires loaded guns... Numerous individuals involved in my local district would be qualified to train and educate.

 

[Axxe55]

Yup... I'm aware of that. But... That was then when educators had an interest in preparing their students for life. There is no way I'd trust todays educators within a country mile of either a firearm or the 2nd Amendment.

You'd probably bitch and moan if they decided to hang you with a brand new rope! You're pessimist Doug. You tend to look at the negatives instead of the positives, and look for reason why something can't work, instead of looking to find ways to make things work.

 

[Dougw1515]

Now you sound like a 2A elitist...

Not all gun training and education requires loaded guns... Numerous individuals involved in my local district would be qualified to train and educate.

No... not at all. Given the attitude and performance of todays "educators" I don't trust 'em to teach a damn thing much less firearm safety and/or 2nd Amendment anything. I do not dispute your claim to know of several educators capable of doing a good job. The problem is they're far more the exception rather than the rule. A loaded firearm would be the least of my concerns. The damage an educator with "agenda" could do far transcends any possible gain. Too much risk involved to implement nationwide. IMHO.

 

[gll]

No... not at all. Given the attitude and performance of todays "educators" I don't trust 'em to teach a damn thing much less firearm safety and/or 2nd Amendment anything. I do not dispute your claim to know of several educators capable of doing a good job. The problem is they're far more the exception rather than the rule. A loaded firearm would be the least of my concerns. The damage an educator with "agenda" could do far transcends any possible gain. Too much risk involved to implement nationwide. IMHO.

Good reasons not to put your kids in your local government school...

Personally, I would see mandatory gun education as a move in the right direction.

And, when I say mandatory, there are always opt-outs like religion and conscience, but those should require paper work...

 

[DoubleDuty]

No... not at all. Given the attitude and performance of todays "educators" I don't trust 'em to teach a damn thing much less firearm safety and/or 2nd Amendment anything. I do not dispute your claim to know of several educators capable of doing a good job. The problem is they're far more the exception rather than the rule. A loaded firearm would be the least of my concerns. The damage an educator with "agenda" could do far transcends any possible gain. Too much risk involved to implement nationwide. IMHO.

The indoctrination by Dems in the schools has us in this mess putting the Constitution and our country in danger.

 

[Coyote9]

Any mandatory gun training should be done within the education system (where we already accept government having a vested interest), and before the age of majority.

Unless an option is offered, to carry without having to have training, or paying a fee for a permit, is an infringement to the carrying of firearms for self defense.

AGAIN I clearly support open carry without restriction,

 

[Axxe55]

AGAIN I clearly support open carry without restriction,

As do I. But in this state, and some others, even open carry requires a permit in which you have to pay for.

 

[TexasRedneck]

As do I. But in this state, and some others, even open carry requires a permit in which you have to pay for.

Hopefully, that will be changing. Having said that, I'll be keeping my LTC for the reciprocity benefits AND the NICS bypass.