What can we, as gun owners, advocate for to decrease gun violence in the Us

[Coyote9]

It is in the rise and more and more novice gun owners are armed. Most gun owners only say what cannot be done to reduce gun violence. I say it is time we begin talking about what can be done to try to prevent these shootings. I am not talking about repealing 2A.

What are practical ideas that might save lives.

One idea I have is to try people for manslaughter if they failed to control access to their guns and someone in their household, or a guest got hold of one and shot someone, even accidentally. Especially if the shooter or shootee was a child. No excuse for that to happen in my book.

The best we can do is to arm ourselves and TRAIN ourselves and assist other solid citizens in doing the same.When criminals are confronted with a large percentage of citizens who are better armed, better trained and willing to defend our nation against them- they will reduce their violent behavior or become extinct.
-fund local training ranges
-volunteer as instructors
-speak calmly and factually at town halls and other meetings about self protection
-PRACTICE Practice practice!
-conduct local seminars about risk and situation awareness
There is a wealth of experience here on TGT .. share it with others

 

[Sam7sf]

Death for traffic offense? Vehicular manslaughter is not a traffic offense and death for less seems extreme to me as does death for drug use... I get that you might be espousing radical positions to get your point across, however extreme positions tend to hurt the chances of getting real laws passed. (gives the libtards talking points)

Yes. Include people who use cell phones while driving on the fish and game list.

 

[gll]

Yes. Include people who use cell phones while driving on the fish and game list.

I'd like to include people who throw cigarette butts, dirty diapers, or masks on the ground...

 

[gll]

Sho

The best we can do is to arm ourselves and TRAIN ourselves and assist other solid citizens in doing the same.When criminals are confronted with a large percentage of citizens who are better armed, better trained and willing to defend our nation against them- they will reduce their violent behavior or become extinct.
-fund local training ranges
-volunteer as instructors
-speak calmly and factually at town halls and other meetings about self protection
-PRACTICE Practice practice!
-conduct local seminars about risk and situation awareness
There is a wealth of experience here on TGT .. share it with others

Shoot more criminals in the act when the death penalty is almost always reasonable.

 

[bbbass]

Dammit! Almost sounds like my first marriage!

Definitely reads like my first marriage... that gal was a hellcat. To say more about bedroom antics would be TMI, but she was also a total bitch after I was dumb enough to marry her. She could cook tho. Great food.

I think prison should be about incarceration and punishment. Rehabilitation should be the responsibility of the felon, and not society's problem or concern. The felon is the one that broke the law and ended up in prison.

Here's a sad fact though, and maybe part of that blame falls on our shoulders as well. I can't recall the exact number, or percentage of repeat offenders that end right back in prison, but it's a lot. Lot's time we as society shun felons that are trying to re-enter society, by not allowing them a second chance. I think that when they are left with no options on the table, that many do turn back to crime to support themselves. That isn't an excuse, but I think maybe at least a reason. At least in prison, they have a roof, a cot and three meals a day. Might be more than they get on the outside.

Umm, my stepdaughter works for the Idaho Parole Board. I can tell you horror stories about recidivism rates. Some of what you say is true about otherwise normal offenders, such as many drug related crimes, certainly not all, that would take good advantage of a second chance, but many many there are just evil phucks. They harm others in prison, they can't wait to harm others when they get out.

Ever have a talk with a crim? According to the stepdaughter, most lay the blame of their crime off on somebody/something else. They are full of excuses, bad attitude, want for revenge (don't dis them), and just plain lust for doing damage. Thinking of them like you and me is a mistake. They are sociopaths and psychopaths.

No sympathy for the devil here. Prison should be a bad experience. Most crims don't want to go back because of the other asshole crims that are there preying upon each other. So be it. Just keep them away from society.

 

[VNK971]

The question asked is like "have you stopped beating your wife?" A yes or no means you're beating your wife. Democrats know gun control affects very few of their constituents. The ones it does affect don't seem to understand or care. I saw a "Beto" sign on the back window of a truck at the range 4 years ago. Democrats also know there is no way to see if any of their laws have any effect.

 

[Coyote9]

Definitely reads like my first marriage... that gal was a hellcat. To say more about bedroom antics would be TMI, but she was also a total bitch after I was dumb enough to marry her. She could cook tho. Great food.




Umm, my stepdaughter works for the Idaho Parole Board. I can tell you horror stories about recidivism rates. Some of what you say is true about otherwise normal offenders, such as many drug related crimes, certainly not all, that would take good advantage of a second chance, but many many there are just evil phucks. They harm others in prison, they can't wait to harm others when they get out.

Ever have a talk with a crim? According to the stepdaughter, most lay the blame of their crime off on somebody/something else. They are full of excuses, bad attitude, want for revenge (don't dis them), and just plain lust for doing damage. Thinking of them like you and me is a mistake. They are sociopaths and psychopaths.

No sympathy for the devil here. Prison should be a bad experience. Most crims don't want to go back because of the other asshole crims that are there preying upon each other. So be it. Just keep them away from society.

Agree and society should gain something from housing and feeding the pos-.work farms, build a wall, disaster relief teams..guarded and if they run cap their ass!

 

[A1Oni]

for profit prisions suck and the prison system itself needs an overhaul, considering they don't rehabilitate anyone they just break them down like animals in a cage, and if we didn't arrest people for drugs the prison system wouldnt be overcrowded.

 

[Axxe55]

for profit prisions suck and the prison system itself needs an overhaul, considering they don't rehabilitate anyone they just break them down like animals in a cage, and if we didn't arrest people for drugs the prison system wouldnt be overcrowded.

Last I checked, drugs are illegal. They have been illegal for decades. So people with drugs, are breaking the law. There is a good chance if you break the laws, you end up in prison. If a person is in prison for drugs, there is a very good chance it wasn't their first time breaking the law either, or they were caught with lots of drugs, or they were doing other stupid illegal shit while on drugs.

You might go and visit prison one day, or better yet, go to work for one. You might learn something about prison.

Whether we agree or disagree about whether drugs should be illegal or not is irrelevant. Facts are, they are illegal at this time. So getting caught with or using drugs, or anything associated with drugs, is illegal and could land you in prison.

And since you think prisons are over-crowded with people with drugs, maybe you would like to enlighten us with your proposed methods for dealing with the issue?

 

[Sam7sf]

I don’t believe stoners to be dangerous. It’s why I said hard drugs. Fact still remains hard drugs change a person for the worst. Meth for example changes brain chemistry. Makes someone more ok doing immoral things. So to say we shouldn’t crowd our jails with them is not wise.

 

[Hoji]

Last I checked, drugs are illegal. They have been illegal for decades. So people with drugs, are breaking the law. There is a good chance if you break the laws, you end up in prison. If a person is in prison for drugs, there is a very good chance it wasn't their first time breaking the law either, or they were caught with lots of drugs, or they were doing other stupid illegal shit while on drugs.

You might go and visit prison one day, or better yet, go to work for one. You might learn something about prison.

Whether we agree or disagree about whether drugs should be illegal or not is irrelevant. Facts are, they are illegal at this time. So getting caught with or using drugs, or anything associated with drugs, is illegal and could land you in prison.

And since you think prisons are over-crowded with people with drugs, maybe you would like to enlighten us with your proposed methods for dealing with the issue?

I would just like to point out that tobacco kills more people in a single year than all illegal drugs combined have ever killed. That includes murder associated with illegal drugs.( in the US)

 

[easy rider]

Last I checked, drugs are illegal. They have been illegal for decades. So people with drugs, are breaking the law. There is a good chance if you break the laws, you end up in prison. If a person is in prison for drugs, there is a very good chance it wasn't their first time breaking the law either, or they were caught with lots of drugs, or they were doing other stupid illegal shit while on drugs.

I believe that was his point in overcrowding.

 

[Axxe55]

I believe that was his point in overcrowding.

It's still irrelevant. If overcrowding is because of drug offences, that is because those in prison were breaking the law.

What we think, or believe about whether drugs should be legalized is also irrelevant as well. Personally, I think they should make EVERY illegal drug available and free from being criminal to use. Darwin, and just plain stupid people will self eliminate themselves from society. There is no secret of what drugs do to people. I'm sure even some in grade school could tell us about the effects of drugs. I have very little sympathy or use for people that use illegal drugs. I have zero tolerance of people who use illegal drugs.

But as things stand currently, and have been for decades, drugs are illegal.

 

[Axxe55]

I would just like to point out that tobacco kills more people in a single year than all illegal drugs combined have ever killed. That includes murder associated with illegal drugs.( in the US)

I don't doubt your comment in the least. But tobacco is legal. I can go to just any store, in any city and buy a pack of cigarettes. People generally don't get high on smoking or dipping tobacco.

 

[Sam7sf]

It's still irrelevant. If overcrowding is because of drug offences, that is because those in prison were breaking the law.

What we think, or believe about whether drugs should be legalized is also irrelevant as well. Personally, I think they should make EVERY illegal drug available and free from being criminal to use. Darwin, and just plain stupid people will self eliminate themselves from society. There is no secret of what drugs do to people. I'm sure even some in grade school could tell us about the effects of drugs. I have very little sympathy or use for people that use illegal drugs. I have zero tolerance of people who use illegal drugs.

But as things stand currently, and have been for decades, drugs are illegal.

While I agree with most of this I disagree allowing all drugs to be legal. If a drug causes a person to be naked, jerk off in the middle of the street, and try to eat someone’s face, haul em off or don’t arrest me fixing him with a 44 mag.

 

[Axxe55]

While I agree with most of this I disagree allowing all drugs to be legal. If a drug causes a person to be naked, jerk off in the middle of the street, and try to eat someone’s face, haul em off or don’t arrest me fixing him with a 44 mag.

I don't disagree with that in the least. I won't shoot a stray dog that comes into my yard, just because it's a stray dog. But if that stray dog is aggressive towards me or my dogs, or is rabid and there for poses a threat to everyone, then I'll put that dog down in a heartbeat.

 

[Hoji]

I don't doubt your comment in the least. But tobacco is legal. I can go to just any store, in any city and buy a pack of cigarettes. People generally don't get high on smoking or dipping tobacco.

You could do the same with every illegal drug ( designer drugs aside) until the same folks pushing for more control ( .gov Karens)decided which drugs could be the most easily taxed. Remember , alcohol was illegal for a while here as well.

 

[Hoji]

And if anyone is unclear on my stance, I believe that all drugs should be legal. Personal choice/freedom and all that.

Drug laws are as inane as hate crime laws.

 

[V-Tach]

A carton of camel at the BX in 1973 was $1.25.....

The same carton of Camels are currently $70.28 at Murphy's (Walmart)..........Taxes

OZ of weed was $10.00 in 1973.......depending on which side of the checkpoints you buy it......weed is still extremely cheap on the border side of the check points.....I've been told one can still get decent weed for under $50.00 oz......no taxes....

 

[easy rider]

While I agree with most of this I disagree allowing all drugs to be legal. If a drug causes a person to be naked, jerk off in the middle of the street, and try to eat someone’s face, haul em off or don’t arrest me fixing him with a 44 mag.

Isn't that what the trans people are trying legalize? I'm not sure that has anything to do with drugs.