Ukraine invasion

[cycleguy2300]

This has been the go to reply for people who have the opinion that Biden says they should have, but don’t know why, for nearly a year now.

The left has wanted a war with Russia. Ukraine was how they made that happen. Biden even went so far as to give putin the go ahead for “a minor incursion”.

The left loves russia, its who they want the US to become.

The left accuses the right of what they themselves do to excess.

"They are trying to steal the election" when it is the left that cheats.

"The right is cozy with russia", "Trump admires and is friends with putin" when they free a russian arms dealer with essentially zero in return and have a vested interest in russia's success in energy etc.

Therefore when the left says the right is anti Ukraine and pro russia, I have no reason to believe them. I have absolutely no idea why the left is pro-ukraine, but I also don't care so long as Ukraine defends its sovereignty. Perhaps the left saw an opportunity to get some money to some people who need it in return. Do they see an opportunity to corrupt a generally honest government? Sure Ukraine has its corruption issues, but maybe the left has seen a way to exploit them for their own gain...

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[cycleguy2300]

Worse, it's not just the left, but NWO globalists that have wanted a war with Russia, and not just for the past year, but since the fall of the Soviet Union when they started their new phase in the war for one world global dominion. They've been pushing for a way and and an excuse to start a war with Russia for a long time and Ukraine is an easy sacrifice toward that goal. That goal being the aforementioned global dominion...

There was a time, after the end of communism, when Russia was trying on capitalism, when we might have made Russia an ally against China, but since the globalists decided to threaten Russia, pushing Russia toward China, China needs Russia like Russia needs Ukraine, as a bulwark against the west.

World war may well be inevitable, as it seems no amount of life or material is too large to sacrifice by any of the leaders on any side...

Ukraine is an excuse? Pretty sure russia INVADED a started this...

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[popper]

very pleasant little white haired lady comes out and says "Oh bless your heart."
Janet Yellen? Thought I saw her at the mall yesterday but it turned out to be a lady with a Christmas sweat shirt on.

 

[Havok1]

The left loves russia, its who they want the US to become.

The left accuses the right of what they themselves do to excess.

"They are trying to steal the election" when it is the left that cheats.

"The right is cozy with russia", "Trump admires and is friends with putin" when they free a russian arms dealer with essentially zero in return and have a vested interest in russia's success in energy etc.

Therefore when the left says the right is anti Ukraine and pro russia, I have no reason to believe them. I have absolutely no idea why the left is pro-ukraine, but I also don't care so long as Ukraine defends its sovereignty. Perhaps the left saw an opportunity to get some money to some people who need it in return. Do they see an opportunity to corrupt a generally honest government? Sure Ukraine has its corruption issues, but maybe the left has seen a way to exploit them for their own gain...

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This is mostly correct, but I don’t know that I’d call Ukrainian government “generally honest”. The bottom line though is that our government has pushed for this war to happen and people don’t do that when they care about the citizens.

 

[gll]

Ukraine is an excuse? Pretty sure russia INVADED a started this...

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The globalists (Soros, Bidens, and the hidden others) need to either completely control Ukraine or completely destroy it in order to cover up all of their machinations there during the Obama administration and following; it would seem they are finding it easier to destroy, having it made a wasteland by the combined efforts of Russia and Ukraine (as proxy), a means of destroying their history there. Russia isn't going to allow western control there under any circumstance except total Russian defeat, the ultimate goal of the globalists anyway...

Barring that, the most likely outcome is that Ukraine is left useless to anyone, an apparently acceptable outcome to all the leaders, and a tragedy for the Ukrainian people who have been drug along by their leaders.

Blaming it all on Russia is juvenile.

 

[TxPython357]

It matters not the reason for war, it only matters that it always comes.

 

[leVieux]

Care to explain? I am interested at how you arrived at your conclusion and what your premises are.

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Try to find General Flynn’s informative video on this. IIRC, he said that Putin’s “invasion” was appropriate given NATO’s repeated provocations in Ukraine and the desires of certain ethnic Russians, left in Ukraine after the partition, to re-join their traditional home nation. I heard that there were 3 illegal NATO military bioweapons labs in Ukraine. Also, remember that these Ukrainian Officials are the ones who came into power after Biden’s infamous bribe, which was shown on video. Try to find the Chanel Rion / Rudy Giuliani interviews with the prior Ukrainian Officials they unseated in that mini-coup. The place is a mess. We have been misinformed by our government and media.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Try to find General Flynn’s informative video on this. IIRfC, he said that Putin’s “invasion” was appropriate given NATO’s repeated provocations in Ukraine and the desires of certain ethnic Russians, left in Ukraine after the partition, to re-join their traditional home nation. I heard that there were 3 illegal NATO military bioweapons labs in Ukraine. Also, remember that these Ukrainian Officials are the ones who came into power after Biden’s infamous bribe, which was shown on video. Try to find the Chanel Rion / Rudy Giuliani interviews with the prior Ukrainian Officials they unseated in that mini-coup. The place is a mess. We have been misinformed by our government and media.

That's like saying its OK to break into your neighbor's house because he has a new gun and you feel felt threatened....

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[gll]

That's like saying its OK to break into your neighbor's house because he has a new gun and you feel felt threatened....

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Kinda like the Israelis talking about taking out the Iranian nuclear production? Maybe they should just wait until they are nuked...

Maybe scale counts for something.

The next step for Ukraine, before Russia invaded, was to join NATO, then U.S. bases, then invasion of Russia... or at least the Russians thought something like that, and given the globalists obvious intent to control the world (and they are much closer to accomplishing that than the Russians are, or even the Soviets ever were) who am I to say the Russians are wrong?

You seem intent on the guy who threw the first punch always being in the wrong, but when a guy is being threatened and pushed into a corner what choice does he really have?

 

[leVieux]

That's like saying its OK to break into your neighbor's house because he has a new gun and you feel felt threatened....

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Well, I suggest you read the others’ reports, as I’m not a scholar of this, just trying to provide info I recalled from prior reading.

 

[leVieux]

Kinda like the Israelis talking about taking out the Iranian nuclear production? Maybe they should just wait until they are nuked...

Maybe scale counts for something.

The next step for Ukraine, before Russia invaded, was to join NATO, then U.S. bases, then invasion of Russia... or at least the Russians thought something like that, and given the globalists obvious intent to control the world (and they are much closer to accomplishing that than the Russians are, or even the Soviets ever were) who am I to say the Russians are wrong?

You seem intent on the guy who threw the first punch always being in the wrong, but when a guy is being threatened and pushed into a corner what choice does he really have?

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Today’s Russian Republic, while certainly not perfect, is NOT the Soviet Union.

I believe that Putin, Medvedev, Yeltsin, & Lavrov are all devout practicing Christians.

We all have seen our own “Military-Industrial Complex”, of Ike’s warnings, try to cast Russia as a great villain, when it was just advancing its own national interests in peaceful manner. Perhaps the U S A should try to trade with them instead of bullying them. Doesn’t Putin still have some 280 nuclear ICBM’s ?

Someone (I can’t recall whom) recently opined that “Putin is a Russian Patriot doing what a Russian Patriot should be doing!”

I don’t trust much of anything from the Obama/Soros/Biden Regime, or from our alphabet media.

Who really knows ? My bet is on General Flynn to both know and be honest.

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[cycleguy2300]

Kinda like the Israelis talking about taking out the Iranian nuclear production? Maybe they should just wait until they are nuked...

Maybe scale counts for something.

The next step for Ukraine, before Russia invaded, was to join NATO, then U.S. bases, then invasion of Russia... or at least the Russians thought something like that, and given the globalists obvious intent to control the world (and they are much closer to accomplishing that than the Russians are, or even the Soviets ever were) who am I to say the Russians are wrong?

You seem intent on the guy who threw the first punch always being in the wrong, but when a guy is being threatened and pushed into a corner what choice does he really have?

Ukraine/russia is not anything close to Iran/Israel.

Has Ukraine ever attacked russia? Has Ukraine ever said they would attack Russia, or wipe them off the face of the earth?

Ukraine knew russia was a threat and tried to protect themselves with western alliances and weapons. Me buying a gun because my neighbor is a dirt bag, doesn't justify him breaking into my house to take it... thats why I bought it, because he was a threat.

If you cannot recognize the difference between someone attempting to obtain weapons to protect themselves from an actual aggressor and a pre-emptive strike against someone trying to find a way to kill you then U don't know what else to say...



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[ZX9RCAM]

It matters not the reason for war, it only matters that it always comes.

Welcome to the Forum!

 

[BigRed]

If my neighbor needs a gun to protect himself, should I plunder a second neighbor and give the plundered property to the first so he can buy a gun? Then shall I crow about how I am so very helpful to the first neighbor?

When the second neighbor objects to me plundering his property, shall I accuse him of not being patriotic and hating his neighbor?

 

[leVieux]

That's like saying its OK to break into your neighbor's house because he has a new gun and you feel felt threatened....

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Well, the Russians saw the multiple NATO threats as real. The bio-labs were illegal, according to Flynn.

As for the Donbass, there is a long, long history of “moving borders” there.

And, the many ethnic Russians being held there was viewed as sort of a “hostage” situation.

 

[gll]

Ukraine/russia is not anything close to Iran/Israel.

Has Ukraine ever attacked russia? Has Ukraine ever said they would attack Russia, or wipe them off the face of the earth?

Ukraine knew russia was a threat and tried to protect themselves with western alliances and weapons. Me buying a gun because my neighbor is a dirt bag, doesn't justify him breaking into my house to take it... thats why I bought it, because he was a threat.

If you cannot recognize the difference between someone attempting to obtain weapons to protect themselves from an actual aggressor and a pre-emptive strike against someone trying to find a way to kill you then U don't know what else to say...



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Ukraine is the conduit for the globalist attack on Russia and Ukraine fell into it... In some sense, Russia fell into it too, except that Russia's only choices were react to stop it or eventually be subjugated by the globalists.

Some might say the globalists are only trying to establish global peace, but I would rather live in dangerous freedom than the peaceful slavery they are aiming for.

Consider that just one of the globalist's tactics is the disarmament of American citizens... Those are the same people who are promoting war with Russia using Ukraine as their proxy. They don't give a shit about the Ukrainian people!

If you can't see what the globalists are doing to America and the rest of the world, then I don't know what else to say...

 

[Havok1]

Ukraine/russia is not anything close to Iran/Israel.

Has Ukraine ever attacked russia? Has Ukraine ever said they would attack Russia, or wipe them off the face of the earth?

Ukraine knew russia was a threat and tried to protect themselves with western alliances and weapons. Me buying a gun because my neighbor is a dirt bag, doesn't justify him breaking into my house to take it... thats why I bought it, because he was a threat.

If you cannot recognize the difference between someone attempting to obtain weapons to protect themselves from an actual aggressor and a pre-emptive strike against someone trying to find a way to kill you then U don't know what else to say...



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in this analogy, our government is the other neighbor who encouraged you to buy the gun, and the other neighbor to steal it from you.

 

[FNORD]

It matters not the reason for war, it only matters that it always comes.

Welcome to the forum.

Throw up an introduction.

If you don’t know where it is to do so you might know someone that can assist you.

 

[leVieux]

Ukraine is the conduit for the globalist attack on Russia and Ukraine fell into it... In some sense, Russia fell into it too, except that Russia's only choices were react to stop it or eventually be subjugated by the globalists.

Some might say the globalists are only trying to establish global peace, but I would rather live in dangerous freedom than the peaceful slavery they are aiming for.

Consider that just one of the globalist's tactics is the disarmament of American citizens... Those are the same people who are promoting war with Russia using Ukraine as their proxy. They don't give a shit about the Ukrainian people!

If you can't see what the globalists are doing to America and the rest of the world, then I don't know what else to say...

“EXACKERLY”, AMEN !

 

[leVieux]

in this analogy, our government is the other neighbor who encouraged you to buy the gun, and the other neighbor to steal it from you.

We are confused enough w/o analogies. . . . .

As both our government and our media are dishonest, devious, & self-serving; we just need straight-talk.

Time for John Wayne, Reagan, Truman, or George Patton type straight-talk !

leVieux
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