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  • popper

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    Military failed again to report info to ncis? Or a private sale - somebody in trouble. First report indiacated he was staying near Love Field,later says near the mall. Still very little release of info about him.
     

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    Because of this mess, the Collin County Friends of NRA dinner is being postponed. Hopefully a new date will be announced soon.

    There's an old saying that one man can throw a pebble into a well that a thousand men can't get out. Some mental case decides to die in some hideous way that will give him the attention that he never got in life, and the mess he creates causes innocent people incredible pain, then it spreads to politics and commerce and just about every aspect of a community that had nothing to do with his problems. Our prayers go out to those families in Allen.

    The only upside, if there is one, is that the cop that caused the perp to assume room temperature did a terrific job. He called in the issue and made it known that he needed everyone available, then he headed to the center of the fight and stopped it without hesitation. This is the textbook response that all LEOs should follow.
     

    Axxe55

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    Because of this mess, the Collin County Friends of NRA dinner is being postponed. Hopefully a new date will be announced soon.

    There's an old saying that one man can throw a pebble into a well that a thousand men can't get out. Some mental case decides to die in some hideous way that will give him the attention that he never got in life, and the mess he creates causes innocent people incredible pain, then it spreads to politics and commerce and just about every aspect of a community that had nothing to do with his problems. Our prayers go out to those families in Allen.

    The only upside, if there is one, is that the cop that caused the perp to assume room temperature did a terrific job. He called in the issue and made it known that he needed everyone available, then he headed to the center of the fight and stopped it without hesitation. This is the textbook response that all LEOs should follow.
    USUALLY WHEN THE FACTS COME OUT AFTERWARDS THE SHOOTER IS SIME MENTAL CASE THAT IS RHE TYPICAL CLASSIC LOSERWHO NEVER ACCOMPLISHED A THING IN HIS LIFEOTHER THAN A TYPICAL ****-UP
     

    ScottDLS

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    Military failed again to report info to ncis? Or a private sale - somebody in trouble. First report indiacated he was staying near Love Field,later says near the mall. Still very little release of info about him.
    An admin separation from bootcamp is not reportable to NICS. Only conviction at a general court martial with a dishonorable discharge is a felony conviction.
     

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    Dallas Morning News stays consistent with anti-2A editorial

    The editorial headline, 'Unspeakable'? No, There's a lot to say' chastises Gov Abbott for saying the Allen Outlet Mall shooting Sat, 5/6/2023 was unspeakable. The paper wants him to speak of it and its cause. "[Gov Abbott] you can not say this is 'unspeakable' and move on."

    At least the paper is consistent as it has opposed pretty much everything that went towards getting the Second Amendment restored in Texas starting with concealed carry in 1995, open carry, carry on campus and permitless carry.

    I will write the editors again just to remind them that not all "Texans have had it with living under the gun." It won't change their mind but one needs to speak/write to make a difference in the end.

    p.s. in case the link above doesn't work the editorial is attached below
     

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    Eastexasrick

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    Info trickling out now. Looks like he was a whack-a-doodle. Mexican who fancied himself an Arian neo-Nazi.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/disturbing-posts-show-neo-nazi-shooter-planned-to-target-texas-mall/ar-AA1aUPui
     
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    Vaquero

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    Because of this mess, the Collin County Friends of NRA dinner is being postponed. Hopefully a new date will be announced soon.

    There's an old saying that one man can throw a pebble into a well that a thousand men can't get out. Some mental case decides to die in some hideous way that will give him the attention that he never got in life, and the mess he creates causes innocent people incredible pain, then it spreads to politics and commerce and just about every aspect of a community that had nothing to do with his problems. Our prayers go out to those families in Allen.

    The only upside, if there is one, is that the cop that caused the perp to assume room temperature did a terrific job. He called in the issue and made it known that he needed everyone available, then he headed to the center of the fight and stopped it without hesitation. This is the textbook response that all LEOs should follow.
    Bully!
     

    Kar98

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    Dallas Morning News stays consistent with anti-2A editorial

    The editorial headline, 'Unspeakable'? No, There's a lot to say' chastises Gov Abbott for saying the Allen Outlet Mall shooting Sat, 5/6/2023 was unspeakable. The paper wants him to speak of it and its cause. "[Gov Abbott] you can not say this is 'unspeakable' and move on."

    At least the paper is consistent as it has opposed pretty much everything that went towards getting the Second Amendment restored in Texas starting with concealed carry in 1995, open carry, carry on campus and permitless carry.

    I will write the editors again just to remind them that not all "Texans have had it with living under the gun." It won't change their mind but one needs to speak/write to make a difference in the end.

    p.s. in case the link above doesn't work the editorial is attached below

    OPINION

    Gov. Abbott, you must act on gun violence​

    Texas is being shaped by fear and anguish.​

    A Texas state trooper outside of a shopping mall after a mass shooting took the lives of...

    A Texas state trooper outside of a shopping mall after a mass shooting took the lives of eight victims in Allen, Texas. )(LM Otero / ASSOCIATED PRESS)
    By Dallas Morning News Editorial
    8:01 AM on May 7, 2023


    Gov. Abbott,
    Eight more innocent people were killed in Texas yesterday. This time it was a shopping mall. They were simply going about their day, men, women, children.

    A man got out of his car and sprayed them with bullets of such a high caliber and in such rapid succession that a mass killing was inescapable.
    You responded that this was an “unspeakable tragedy.” We tell you that it was not unspeakable, and that the people of Texas need you to speak to it and its cause.


    There is nothing conservative about refusing to acknowledge evidence or give voice to the true nature of a problem. The people who are dead today are not dead because a twisted and evil soul walked among them. They are dead because that person was able to obtain a weapon so powerful and with such high capacity that even the bravest and fastest response of law enforcement could not save their lives.
    That is what you must speak to if you want to truly lead this state. You must speak to the terrible imbalance that you and Republican leaders have created between the individual liberty of nearly unrestricted ownership of the most powerful rifles and guns versus the increasing decline in society’s ability to function without constant fear of violent death.

    It’s too bad that, when given the chance to do so Sunday morning on Fox News, you instead embraced what has become the dodge of the right — focusing on mental health measures. Those are needed. But in a world where mental health struggles are becoming more common, no nation suffers from mass shootings like the U.S. The lack of commonsense controls on gun sales is the reason.
    The people you represent are living in fear. Our public spaces are no longer places we can go without considering the possibility that we may become victims of once-unimaginable violence. Our private spaces are at risk, too. Our schools, churches, shopping malls, big-box stores, airports and funerals are all possible targets. So are homes, backyards and front yards, and highways and city streets. Every place, every gathering.
    Parents fear letting their children go to school or go to the mall. Children exchange messages about constant rumors of guns someone might be carrying around them. Their lives are being changed by the presence of fear.
    Texans have had it with living under the gun. A February poll from the University of Texas at Austin and the Texas Politics Project showed half of Texans want stricter gun laws. That includes 22% of people who strongly identify as Republican. Those numbers are only going to grow as people’s fear about living their daily lives grows.

    We recommended your return to office because the people of this state have prospered under the pro-business environment fostered here. People need the opportunity to lift themselves up, and Texas has given them that chance. But what good is prosperity if we cannot have freedom from fear to enjoy it?
    When we recommended you, we did so with reservations and urged you to recognize that “the Second Amendment does not amount to an absolute right to individual ownership of firearms.”
    Images on social media show the Allen shooter used a high-caliber rifle. Sounds from video of the shooting indicate it fired in rapid succession. While facts still must be confirmed, other images indicate the weapon of choice was a semi-automatic AR-15-style rifle with a high capacity magazine.

    How many people might be alive today if that shooter had not been able to obtain that rifle, or that magazine, or the caliber of rounds loaded in it? We don’t know whether the shooter obtained the weapon legally or not. It doesn’t matter because there are so many guns all around, and they are so loosely controlled, that anyone with intent and money can get one with no trouble at all.
    This has to stop. You cannot say this is an “unspeakable tragedy” and move on. A leader must have the courage to speak. You must look at this horror, at the devastation wrought on these people, and you must summon the will to act to change the laws that have put us in this terrible place.
    Editor’s note: This editorial was updated at 2:37 p.m. on May 7, 2023 to reflect Gov. Greg Abbott’s comments on Fox News.

    Hmmmmmm.....

     

    Renegade

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