Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[Darkpriest667]

See post 1387 for a link to the actual injunction, but if you complied thru the special f1 process, it’s meaningless for you [ETA: for the time being].

If any of these suits are successful, it will be interesting to see how a remedy is applied to those who have added items to the registry.

If they're UNSUCCESSFUL how is the ATF going to deal with those who were protected by the injunction but are now in violation

 

[smittyb]

If they're UNSUCCESSFUL how is the ATF going to deal with those who were protected by the injunction but are now in violation

Not totally sure, but your dog(s) is definitely gonna die.

 

[MountainGirl]

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If any of these suits are successful, it will be interesting to see how a remedy is applied to those who have added items to the registry.

Other than getting their info off the ATF database, you mean. <--Rhetorical; never happen.

I appreciate your posts on this, tyvm.

 

[toddnjoyce]

If they're UNSUCCESSFUL how is the ATF going to deal with those who were protected by the injunction but are now in violation

Given the myriad ways of compliance, that’s always been a question I’ve had; it’s the tree falling in the forest riddle, because until there is a violation, compliance in some way has to be assumed.

For example, everyone is looking at the number of special F1s issued, which is just one of several ways an individual could have complied.

 

[gll]

I'd bet way more people seeking to comply just took the braces off, even if that really didn't comply...

 

[jimbo]

How confusing. Do I have a pistol or a legal SBR?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

How confusing. Do I have a pistol or a legal SBR?

Did you "register" it?

 

[toddnjoyce]

I'd bet way more people seeking to comply just took the braces off, even if that really didn't comply...

ATFs logic behind that method, “permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the stabilizing brace such that it cannot be reattached demonstrates a mildly retarded to infantile understanding of the subject.

 

[benenglish]

I can't keep up with all the organizations I've joined but I know that I've been a lifer in the Second Amendment Foundation for over a decade. They've got me covered. Odd that no one is discussing their injunction success, though.

 

[jimbo]

Did you "register" it?

I registered one and did not register one.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I registered one and did not register one.

Then I say "one of each".

 

[Byrd666]

I can't keep up with all the organizations I've joined but I know that I've been a lifer in the Second Amendment Foundation for over a decade. They've got me covered. Odd that no one is discussing their injunction success, though.

The same one that sits next to the GOA injunction?

 

[toddnjoyce]

I can't keep up with all the organizations I've joined but I know that I've been a lifer in the Second Amendment Foundation for over a decade. They've got me covered. Odd that no one is discussing their injunction success, though.

The Washington Gun Law guy and, I believe, Armed Attorney’s covered it if I recall. The first one announced overshadowed the others, especially with the clarification of covered parties. I think SAF, FPC, and GOA all have valid APA grievances and I’m wondering if these cases will eventually be consolidated.

What I find really odd is how difficult it was to find any info about NRAs suit.

 

[TheDan]

Second Amendment Foundation ... Odd that no one is discussing their injunction success

I'm always surprised at how under the radar they are. They have a great track record. I've been a life member for several years, too.

 

[Otto_Mation]

If any of these suits are successful, it will be interesting to see how a remedy is applied to those who have added items to the registry.

For me, I only registered what I was going to register anyway. So I am good, I want a real stocks on the ones that I registered. I guess you could always opt out but they have your info. The only reason in my mind to opt out is if you were good with a brace and did not want to get a permission slip to cross state lines with it.

 

[benenglish]

I'm always surprised at how under the radar they are. They have a great track record. I've been a life member for several years, too.

Even if they didn't have a great track record in court (which they do), their annual Gun Rights Policy Conference is fantastic. All the movers and shakers show up and exchange ideas. It's a small gathering as conferences go but it's definitely a mandatory yearly pilgrimage if you're in the business of actively working to lobby or sue our way back to an unfettered Second Amendment.

 

[toddnjoyce]

For me, I only registered what I was going to register anyway. So I am good, I want a real stocks on the ones that I registered. I guess you could always opt out but they have your info. The only reason in my mind to opt out is if you were good with a brace and did not want to get a permission slip to cross state lines with it.

So here’s something to consider. If the APA violations are upheld, a remedy could be for ATF to render void any of the special F1s with an accompanying order to ATF to remove those items from the registry.

That’s why I say it’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few years.

 

[TheDan]

annual Gun Rights Policy Conference ... if you're in the business of actively working to lobby or sue our way back to an unfettered Second Amendment.

That sounds awful. I'm more than happy to keep sending them money so I don't have to personally shake hands with any lobbyists, jurists, or politicians

 

[Bozz10mm]

So here’s something to consider. If the APA violations are upheld, a remedy could be for ATF to render void any of the special F1s with an accompanying order to ATF to remove those items from the registry.

That’s why I say it’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few years.

I can think of several ways it could go if that happens.

1. ATF automatically rescinds all the amnesty registrations (not likely)
2. ATF agrees to rescind the registrations at the request of the individual
3. ATF notifies you that you have a choice to either rescind the registration or pay the $200 tax
4. Nothing changes, you have a registered SBR.

 

[gll]

Washington Gun Law retracts and corrects...



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