which kel-tec do you have, if i remember correctly only one of them has a capacity of 10 + 1 rnds, so you must have a lightning fast mag change if you have any other model. good game on beating your buddy that has a $2800 STI though.
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all joking aside, we at shiloh like to try on the edge of training and keep things efficient as possible. i've had lessons with new shooters where i was able to get them to shoot 2 inch groups with a sigma at 7 yards. few thing in common was they all hated the sigma, wanted a glock afterwards and stopped right at 50 rounds. not one would shoot more at any given session.
we dont recommend bersa, sigmas, or kel-tecs because although the small percentage of them might work problem free, they are not user friendly. shooters will not be able to comfortably shoot through hundreds of rounds each time. yea, hundreds of rounds might be excessive but at times, thats needed. YOU might be able to, but you do not represent the general public of new shooters.
and everything that we sell and carry are guns that work. and you can keep thinking all you want about our prices because someone always knows someone or somewhere they can get stuff cheaper, and im sure you know someone that knows someone else that knows a place that has stuff cheaper lol.
we are not telling shooters to buy a $2800 sti, hell i own 3 STI's and my most expensive one is probably right at $1700. i've shot well over 7 thousand rounds out of it in UNDER a year (will be a year in may) and close to 1k of it was all in one weekend while we were at a john farnam class. i invest in STI and would always recommend them when someone is looking for something in that budget.
but in the budget of 300-400 handgun, we at shiloh will ALWAYS tell them to spend the extra money for a glock.. or even an XD.
and i really dont you understand what jeff and i was trying to get at in the first place. we are not going to put a price on the safety of our ourself and loved ones. we are not going to suggest or tell anyone to buy a sigma over a glock because its cheaper and if they ever have to "stop someone from trying to murder them" the local law enforcement guys will take their gun away and chances are they wont get it back. you're an instructor? how does that sound really. read it out loud to yourself and see if it makes sense.
dont buy a toyota corolla because a chevy aveo is cheaper and it works. right.
we appreciate your business and if you ever have the chance, stop by our range again. we always have something going on, Thursday night is IDPA, feel free to join us.
we dont recommend bersa, sigmas, or kel-tecs because although the small percentage of them might work problem free, they are not user friendly. shooters will not be able to comfortably shoot through hundreds of rounds each time. yea, hundreds of rounds might be excessive but at times, thats needed. YOU might be able to, but you do not represent the general public of new shooters.
and everything that we sell and carry are guns that work. and you can keep thinking all you want about our prices because someone always knows someone or somewhere they can get stuff cheaper, and im sure you know someone that knows someone else that knows a place that has stuff cheaper lol.
we are not telling shooters to buy a $2800 sti, hell i own 3 STI's and my most expensive one is probably right at $1700. i've shot well over 7 thousand rounds out of it in UNDER a year (will be a year in may) and close to 1k of it was all in one weekend while we were at a john farnam class. i invest in STI and would always recommend them when someone is looking for something in that budget.
but in the budget of 300-400 handgun, we at shiloh will ALWAYS tell them to spend the extra money for a glock.. or even an XD.
and i really dont you understand what jeff and i was trying to get at in the first place. we are not going to put a price on the safety of our ourself and loved ones. we are not going to suggest or tell anyone to buy a sigma over a glock because its cheaper and if they ever have to "stop someone from trying to murder them" the local law enforcement guys will take their gun away and chances are they wont get it back. you're an instructor? how does that sound really. read it out loud to yourself and see if it makes sense.
dont buy a toyota corolla because a chevy aveo is cheaper and it works. right.
we appreciate your business and if you ever have the chance, stop by our range again. we always have something going on, Thursday night is IDPA, feel free to join us.
shilohshooters
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No sir, you cannot begin to feel my pain. If you had an inkling of my pain, then you would understand that 6 Glocks, XD's, and SMITH AND WESSON M & P's or any 3 Sig-Sauer's are exponentially better than any 8 Sigma, Kel-Tech, Jimenez Arms argument that you can make! You are correct in assuming I feel they are bad for other's, why would I suggest something I would not myself carry? If it's not good enough to me, it's not good enough for our customers. We would make a hell of a lot more sales if I didn't have a moral obligation to only sell quality products we personally believe in! I understand that YOU + K.T. = IDPA wizardry, but that is nowhere remotely close to what I see and touch EVERY FREAKING DAY in REALITY at the range. If you want to know what consistently works, what better place to perform reliability research? Contrary to what you may believe, I do not enjoy telling customers that their Sigma, K.T., Bersa, etc. is performing as could be expected and they could have gotten a much better product ( Glock, XD, etc. ) and had a greater peace of mind for not much more in cost. As far as letting customer's make their own decisions, they do! Customer's usually buy their gun from Shiloh after they get to shoot what they want to buy, many times even a variety of guns! Don't you think that really helps the buying process and enables the customer to feel good about making that investment? Not just blindly walking in and relying on a total stranger's "informed opinion" seems to be appreciated by our customers. I wish I had that opportunity when I first started my gun craze. I definitely would have saved money and made better investments. If being passionate about helping my neighbors and friends properly equip themselves for carry and possible conflict makes me a liberal democrat, so be it. Last time I checked though, name calling, narcissism ( I report factual events that I see with my own eyes while you regail us with stories of your evil-STI slaying, golden Kel-Tech capable of IDPA wizardry with songs and dances describing your adventures) and "quantity over quality" spending are all well known, common traits of liberal democrats. Irony? Hmmmm. Next... Congratulations on your ONE high score at that ONE IDPA challenge! *sounds of crickets chirping* We have a great bunch of IDPA guys that shoot every Thursday. I urge you to join them at least once, as instructor's, we can never practice and learn enough. Believe me, these guys can teach even the most accredited instructors new tricks. This would also give you a great opportunity to truly work out your pistols and maybe form new opinions. Yes, my friend htxred and I work together at Shiloh. How does that make us a "threat"? Are we threatening you with knowledgeable opinions and opportunities to try it before you buy it? Are we threatening you with the opportunity to train and improve yourself with other instructor's almost every night of the week? I believe all shooter's, no matter what brand preference ( as hard as that is for me, I am willing ) should be sticking together, as we normally share like minded views and goals. That seems more like an opportunity than a threat. Uh-oh, that must have been all those liberal feelings just spinning out of control on you again! Seriously, the kind words about our range are greatly appreciated, and I am glad you had a positive experience, but I must take exception one last time. Complaints about prices are always seen a mile away. That's the most common, attention grabbing, I dont-know-what-I'm-talking-about-but-it-always-sounds-good-and-harsh comment anyone can make against any retail store. My turn to teach: Glocks-$529.99 XD's- $519.99 Sig Sauer- all below MSRP. Academy Sports and Outdoors- Glocks- $529.99 XD's- $529.99 Sig Sauer- Not below MSRP! Hmmmm, questionable indeed! Our ammo is also reasonably priced for what is available, but I could see if someone hasn't purchased ammo in 15 or so months might find those prices questionable. Anyway, aren't we seeing a pattern here with claims of questionable prices and ethics?
ADDENDUM: Instead of all this bickering back and forth and having shooter vs. shooter keyboard challenge, I propose we have some fun with this and see if we can't all end up friends. Really. You and your Kel-Tech vs. htxred and his STI. Heck, I'll throw my Sig Sauer hat into the ring also. Free range time if you win? But if you lose, we sit around the table and discuss what makes reliabilty and quality? Either way, consider trying out our IDPA group, I'll pay your fee for the shoot...Plan it?
ADDENDUM: Instead of all this bickering back and forth and having shooter vs. shooter keyboard challenge, I propose we have some fun with this and see if we can't all end up friends. Really. You and your Kel-Tech vs. htxred and his STI. Heck, I'll throw my Sig Sauer hat into the ring also. Free range time if you win? But if you lose, we sit around the table and discuss what makes reliabilty and quality? Either way, consider trying out our IDPA group, I'll pay your fee for the shoot...Plan it?
Sorry guys, I will have to disappoint you on the competition issue. I just don’t have the time or energy to play silly children’s games where we all get together and argue about “My Guns Bigger than Yours”. I graduated High School in 1976 and have no intention of trying to relive that era.
The purpose of me staring this forum was not to entice local CHL holders into an immature pissing contest; precisely why I would not ever go back to the Shiloh Shooting Range in Houston unless I had to.
What I am looking for is starting a socializing group here in the North Austin – Central Texas area for CHL holders. I am looking for people that want to get together and practice scenarios, discuss laws (and upcoming changes to those laws), and talk about experiences.
Whatever gun you want to bring is fine and you are welcome to make up your mind, on your own, as to what you think you need for self-defense. I do not want to have a group of mental midgets all talking about how their gun is bigger and better, or for the group to degrade into a competition of bullies that want to prove which one can shoot more bullets in 10 seconds.
I want to socialize with people that are interested in the reality of what is going on in our environment and not have anyone think they do not belong simply because you can’t afford that “Really Cool” gun and custom made holster with the super-secret extra magazine holder.
The purpose of me staring this forum was not to entice local CHL holders into an immature pissing contest; precisely why I would not ever go back to the Shiloh Shooting Range in Houston unless I had to.
What I am looking for is starting a socializing group here in the North Austin – Central Texas area for CHL holders. I am looking for people that want to get together and practice scenarios, discuss laws (and upcoming changes to those laws), and talk about experiences.
Whatever gun you want to bring is fine and you are welcome to make up your mind, on your own, as to what you think you need for self-defense. I do not want to have a group of mental midgets all talking about how their gun is bigger and better, or for the group to degrade into a competition of bullies that want to prove which one can shoot more bullets in 10 seconds.
I want to socialize with people that are interested in the reality of what is going on in our environment and not have anyone think they do not belong simply because you can’t afford that “Really Cool” gun and custom made holster with the super-secret extra magazine holder.
“No sir, you cannot begin to feel my pain. If you had an inkling of my pain, then you would understand that 6 Glocks, XD's, and SMITH AND WESSON M & P's or any 3 Sig-Sauer's are exponentially better than any 8 Sigma, Kel-Tech, Jimenez Arms argument that you can make! You are correct in assuming I feel they are bad for other's, why would I suggest something I would not myself carry?”
Well, Sir, when someone walks into a North Austin restaurant and starts shooting, 6 Gocks, XD’s, and Smith and Wesson M&P’s and all your Sig-Sauer’s all locked in a really cool gun safe somewhere in North Houston can never be a match to a Well-Oiled kel-tec on my belt.
If it's not good enough to me, it's not good enough for our customers.
Something tells me that there are not a lot of things that are “Good enough for you.”, but it is not all about you. I tell people what I think, not what they should think… that’s what makes me a conservative and you a liberal.
We would make a hell of a lot more sales if I didn't have a moral obligation to only sell quality products we personally believe in! I understand that YOU + K.T. = IDPA wizardry, but that is nowhere remotely close to what I see and touch EVERY FREAKING DAY in REALITY at the range. If you want to know what consistently works, what better place to perform reliability research? Contrary to what you may believe, I do not enjoy telling customers that their Sigma, K.T., Bersa, etc. is performing as could be expected and they could have gotten a much better product ( Glock, XD, etc. ) and had a greater peace of mind for not much more in cost.
Actually, from your postings, it appears that you do enjoy telling people that their Sigma, K.T., and Bersa, etc. are not what you think they should be. I know that it is frustrating that government taxes and anti-gun lobbyist make the selling of good firearms out of the reach of many good citizens, but these companies that you trash are not bad companies and deserve better than to be trashed by both sides.
If being passionate about helping my neighbors and friends properly equip themselves for carry and possible conflict makes me a liberal democrat, so be it.
Last time I checked though, name calling, narcissism ( I report factual events that I see with my own eyes while you regail us with stories of your evil-STI slaying, golden Kel-Tech capable of IDPA wizardry with songs and dances describing your adventures) and "quantity over quality" spending are all well known, common traits of liberal democrats. Irony? Hmmmm. Next... Congratulations on your ONE high score at that ONE IDPA challenge! *sounds of crickets chirping* We have a great bunch of IDPA guys that shoot every Thursday.
No, Sir, what makes you a liberal democrat is the fact that you use the standard liberal mantra of trashing what other people believe, making fun of what they think, and then personally trashing them when it appears you might be losing the argument. “one time high score”???
I urge you to join them at least once, as instructor's, we can never practice and learn enough. Believe me, these guys can teach even the most accredited instructors new tricks. This would also give you a great opportunity to truly work out your pistols and maybe form new opinions.
I live too far from your IDPA group to get involved there… I would literally have to drive pass about 5 IDPA groups to get to that one. As for instructor, you should know better than to have such a bigoted attitude towards other gun owners. The absolute close-minded, “My Way, or the Hi-way” is simply inappropriate for someone that calls himself an instructor for the art.
Yes, my friend htxred and I work together at Shiloh. How does that make us a "threat"? Are we threatening you with knowledgeable opinions and opportunities to try it before you buy it? Are we threatening you with the opportunity to train and improve yourself with other instructor's almost every night of the week? I believe all shooter's, no matter what brand preference ( as hard as that is for me, I am willing ) should be sticking together, as we normally share like minded views and goals. That seems more like an opportunity than a threat. Uh-oh, that must have been all those liberal feelings just spinning out of control on you again!
I don’t see you as a threat… far from it. However, I see your attitude as being a threat to those that I am trying to get more involved in the CHL and the ownership of a handgun. Training takes many forms. The type of training I did in South America is not the same as the training I did in Germany. But I will not trash or belittle someone that has never seen combat…. I will leave that to you.
Seriously, the kind words about our range are greatly appreciated, and I am glad you had a positive experience, but I must take exception one last time.
I did like your set up there at the Shiloh Range. I think you did a really good job setting it up. I think I would actually recommend that type of setup for ranges here in the Austin area. Congrats!
ADDENDUM: Instead of all this bickering back and forth and having shooter vs. shooter keyboard challenge, I propose we have some fun with this and see if we can't all end up friends. Really. You and your Kel-Tech vs. htxred and his STI. Heck, I'll throw my Sig Sauer hat into the ring also. Free range time if you win? But if you lose, we sit around the table and discuss what makes reliabilty and quality? Either way, consider trying out our IDPA group, I'll pay your fee for the shoot...Plan it?
No, thank you. I have other plans that do not include that sort of behavior. I appreciate your invitation, but believe that it will only serve to either cause hard feelings or encourage retaliation. I have no need for either. Lets just agree to disagree and go from there. However, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from the personal attacks and trashing of those companies that you don’t like. Just let people make up their own minds. Also, since I am looking to address people in this part of Texas, I would appreciate if you would let me focus on them and ask politely that you address your issues on another forum that focuses on those individuals in your part of Texas… Please.
Well, Sir, when someone walks into a North Austin restaurant and starts shooting, 6 Gocks, XD’s, and Smith and Wesson M&P’s and all your Sig-Sauer’s all locked in a really cool gun safe somewhere in North Houston can never be a match to a Well-Oiled kel-tec on my belt.
If it's not good enough to me, it's not good enough for our customers.
Something tells me that there are not a lot of things that are “Good enough for you.”, but it is not all about you. I tell people what I think, not what they should think… that’s what makes me a conservative and you a liberal.
We would make a hell of a lot more sales if I didn't have a moral obligation to only sell quality products we personally believe in! I understand that YOU + K.T. = IDPA wizardry, but that is nowhere remotely close to what I see and touch EVERY FREAKING DAY in REALITY at the range. If you want to know what consistently works, what better place to perform reliability research? Contrary to what you may believe, I do not enjoy telling customers that their Sigma, K.T., Bersa, etc. is performing as could be expected and they could have gotten a much better product ( Glock, XD, etc. ) and had a greater peace of mind for not much more in cost.
Actually, from your postings, it appears that you do enjoy telling people that their Sigma, K.T., and Bersa, etc. are not what you think they should be. I know that it is frustrating that government taxes and anti-gun lobbyist make the selling of good firearms out of the reach of many good citizens, but these companies that you trash are not bad companies and deserve better than to be trashed by both sides.
If being passionate about helping my neighbors and friends properly equip themselves for carry and possible conflict makes me a liberal democrat, so be it.
Last time I checked though, name calling, narcissism ( I report factual events that I see with my own eyes while you regail us with stories of your evil-STI slaying, golden Kel-Tech capable of IDPA wizardry with songs and dances describing your adventures) and "quantity over quality" spending are all well known, common traits of liberal democrats. Irony? Hmmmm. Next... Congratulations on your ONE high score at that ONE IDPA challenge! *sounds of crickets chirping* We have a great bunch of IDPA guys that shoot every Thursday.
No, Sir, what makes you a liberal democrat is the fact that you use the standard liberal mantra of trashing what other people believe, making fun of what they think, and then personally trashing them when it appears you might be losing the argument. “one time high score”???
I urge you to join them at least once, as instructor's, we can never practice and learn enough. Believe me, these guys can teach even the most accredited instructors new tricks. This would also give you a great opportunity to truly work out your pistols and maybe form new opinions.
I live too far from your IDPA group to get involved there… I would literally have to drive pass about 5 IDPA groups to get to that one. As for instructor, you should know better than to have such a bigoted attitude towards other gun owners. The absolute close-minded, “My Way, or the Hi-way” is simply inappropriate for someone that calls himself an instructor for the art.
Yes, my friend htxred and I work together at Shiloh. How does that make us a "threat"? Are we threatening you with knowledgeable opinions and opportunities to try it before you buy it? Are we threatening you with the opportunity to train and improve yourself with other instructor's almost every night of the week? I believe all shooter's, no matter what brand preference ( as hard as that is for me, I am willing ) should be sticking together, as we normally share like minded views and goals. That seems more like an opportunity than a threat. Uh-oh, that must have been all those liberal feelings just spinning out of control on you again!
I don’t see you as a threat… far from it. However, I see your attitude as being a threat to those that I am trying to get more involved in the CHL and the ownership of a handgun. Training takes many forms. The type of training I did in South America is not the same as the training I did in Germany. But I will not trash or belittle someone that has never seen combat…. I will leave that to you.
Seriously, the kind words about our range are greatly appreciated, and I am glad you had a positive experience, but I must take exception one last time.
I did like your set up there at the Shiloh Range. I think you did a really good job setting it up. I think I would actually recommend that type of setup for ranges here in the Austin area. Congrats!
ADDENDUM: Instead of all this bickering back and forth and having shooter vs. shooter keyboard challenge, I propose we have some fun with this and see if we can't all end up friends. Really. You and your Kel-Tech vs. htxred and his STI. Heck, I'll throw my Sig Sauer hat into the ring also. Free range time if you win? But if you lose, we sit around the table and discuss what makes reliabilty and quality? Either way, consider trying out our IDPA group, I'll pay your fee for the shoot...Plan it?
No, thank you. I have other plans that do not include that sort of behavior. I appreciate your invitation, but believe that it will only serve to either cause hard feelings or encourage retaliation. I have no need for either. Lets just agree to disagree and go from there. However, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from the personal attacks and trashing of those companies that you don’t like. Just let people make up their own minds. Also, since I am looking to address people in this part of Texas, I would appreciate if you would let me focus on them and ask politely that you address your issues on another forum that focuses on those individuals in your part of Texas… Please.
Nodena Ranger
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Whew...just read this Mr. Administrator......that's a pretty heavy duty electronic jabing contest you have going on.. Looks like Tom got the last lick....Maybe you should suggest a paint ball duel or a foot race on prozac. Meet halfway on neutral ground. Say maybe Brenham?
I look at it like this guys, we all have our opinions and individual perspectives on things. Personally, I'm always open-minded to other's perspectives since everyone has different experiences and develops different opinions about things because of it. No chest thumping contest is necessary, and I think it would be a fun thing to do to have a friendly little competition, and the winner buys the beer, or cheeseburger, or whatever. No "I'm right and you're wrong" is necessary. Friendly competition guys, lets lighten up a bit and not take things so serious.
Personally, I have actually thought about buying a Keltec (like a P11) in the past and running it through a torture test like a 1000rd in one day torture test. I'm curious to see how it turns out. I mean for the price, it's a nice bargain. If one can survive a 1000rd test without any major problems and without too many FTF/FTE's then it's not exactly a bad gun for the money.
How's this for some friendly competition. I challenge anyone out here to show me a more reliable gun then my P220!
In the past year or so, I've put like 5000+ rounds through it, and I can't remember having one single FTF/FTE. The gun just works, even when I treat it like a lawnmower. I challenge someone to show me up, and the winner buys the beer or steak, or whatever. Of course, now that I say that my gun is going to fall apart in my hands the next time I pick it up.
Personally, I have actually thought about buying a Keltec (like a P11) in the past and running it through a torture test like a 1000rd in one day torture test. I'm curious to see how it turns out. I mean for the price, it's a nice bargain. If one can survive a 1000rd test without any major problems and without too many FTF/FTE's then it's not exactly a bad gun for the money.
How's this for some friendly competition. I challenge anyone out here to show me a more reliable gun then my P220!
In the past year or so, I've put like 5000+ rounds through it, and I can't remember having one single FTF/FTE. The gun just works, even when I treat it like a lawnmower. I challenge someone to show me up, and the winner buys the beer or steak, or whatever. Of course, now that I say that my gun is going to fall apart in my hands the next time I pick it up. All I know is, if I need an 8th self-defense handgun because I already had to use the previous seven to defend my life, then it's time to seriously evaluate both the decisions I have made in life and situations I have put myself in.
Video of the Attack on James Walton | All American Blogger
A reporter by the Name of Rebecca Aguilar personally attacked (verbally abused) and belittled a 70 year old man (James Walton) that had shot and killed a burglar in his home in the Dallas area. The story is interesting because: Even though the shooting was justified.... the Police took the elderly mans firearm as evidence. Within one week, the elderly man shot and killed a second burglar. Seems the elderly man, James Walton, had more than one shotgun.
The internet has removed just about all information about the incident simply because Rebecca Aguilar is the one that is considered the victim. Ms. Aguilar became the victim when she was fired simply because she asked Mr. Walton if he was “Trigger Happy” and "liked to kill".
Ms. Aguilar had cornered Mr. Walton at a local Academy Superstore where he had just purchased a third shotgun to replace the second shotgun that was also confiscated by the local police for the investigation of the second shooting. Mr. Walton has not recovered either of the first two shotguns even though the official final disposition was that the shooting were justified.
However, I have been informed that the police in Houston will not confiscate firearms used in self defense…. Or at the very least a .0001% chance of confiscation. Still, I am not sure what the local police in the Austin area would do in such a situation.
A reporter by the Name of Rebecca Aguilar personally attacked (verbally abused) and belittled a 70 year old man (James Walton) that had shot and killed a burglar in his home in the Dallas area. The story is interesting because: Even though the shooting was justified.... the Police took the elderly mans firearm as evidence. Within one week, the elderly man shot and killed a second burglar. Seems the elderly man, James Walton, had more than one shotgun.
The internet has removed just about all information about the incident simply because Rebecca Aguilar is the one that is considered the victim. Ms. Aguilar became the victim when she was fired simply because she asked Mr. Walton if he was “Trigger Happy” and "liked to kill".
Ms. Aguilar had cornered Mr. Walton at a local Academy Superstore where he had just purchased a third shotgun to replace the second shotgun that was also confiscated by the local police for the investigation of the second shooting. Mr. Walton has not recovered either of the first two shotguns even though the official final disposition was that the shooting were justified.
However, I have been informed that the police in Houston will not confiscate firearms used in self defense…. Or at the very least a .0001% chance of confiscation. Still, I am not sure what the local police in the Austin area would do in such a situation.
Kel-Tec P11
I have an extra Kel-Tec p11... if you want to buy the 1000 rounds of ammo, I would consider letting you take it and abuse the @#$% out of it just to see what would come of the test. To make the test really good, it might be best to put more than one brand of ammo through it. In fact, I wonder what +P+ ammo would do to the barrel of a Kel-Tec.... don't think I have ever used High Pressure ammo in that pistol.
Personally, I have actually thought about buying a Keltec (like a P11) in the past and running it through a torture test like a 1000rd in one day torture test. I'm curious to see how it turns out. I mean for the price, it's a nice bargain. If one can survive a 1000rd test without any major problems and without too many FTF/FTE's then it's not exactly a bad gun for the money.
I have an extra Kel-Tec p11... if you want to buy the 1000 rounds of ammo, I would consider letting you take it and abuse the @#$% out of it just to see what would come of the test. To make the test really good, it might be best to put more than one brand of ammo through it. In fact, I wonder what +P+ ammo would do to the barrel of a Kel-Tec.... don't think I have ever used High Pressure ammo in that pistol.
Hey! I did not offer to shoot that ammo through my P11, I only offered to let Sig_Fiend buy the ammo and test it. LOL! Maybe that was going a bit over the top with +P.
As for my P11: I think that I have only put about 500 rounds through it. Then again, I rearly shoot more that 25 rounds before cleaning it. Most of my ammo goes through another one of my pistols (all of them 9mm for "interoperability").
I know, I know... should have saved my money and bought a "Real Caliber" like .45.
Then again, I probably should have saved my money and bought a "Real Truck" too, instead of an F-150. And... If I had saved my money and bought.......
Well, you know where that was going. I would still be saving my money so I could have a bigger thingy than any one else.
As for my P11: I think that I have only put about 500 rounds through it. Then again, I rearly shoot more that 25 rounds before cleaning it. Most of my ammo goes through another one of my pistols (all of them 9mm for "interoperability").
I know, I know... should have saved my money and bought a "Real Caliber" like .45.
Then again, I probably should have saved my money and bought a "Real Truck" too, instead of an F-150. And... If I had saved my money and bought.......
Well, you know where that was going. I would still be saving my money so I could have a bigger thingy than any one else.
Nodena Ranger
New Member
And Tom lands 3 more licks....Didn't think that attempted diplomancy was gonna' work Mr. Adminstrator Sir. I think he's got that dreaded 'Shiloh Street Gang' on the run now.....STI's and all. That's the way to clean out the hood. Someone told me that Sigs are for 'girly men' with short members..... You're the one that said lighten up and not take things so serious.
Nodena Ranger
New Member
Oh No....It's the dreaded 'Shiloh Street Gang' back in action. Good lick Sam...STI and all!
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