Shop that sold AR to Mrs. Lanza has firearms license revoked by ATF

[Charlie]

Monday a.m. irritability? Some folks need to chill out a bit. It's bad for your health to be pissed off all the time.

 

[n2pistols]

just FYI: theres more to this story, i read somewhere that the shop had 11 firearms missing from inventory that they knew about and never reported, this was before Sandy Hook.

If 11 guns were really missing the Government found out about it only after they closed the store down and did an inventory. Who are you going to believe.

 

[txinvestigator]

If 11 guns were really missing the Government found out about it only after they closed the store down and did an inventory. Who are you going to believe.

That is not how the BATFE does an inventory. I have been through more than one. When they do regular audits the store has to account for all firearms. In the store better be on the books. On the books and not out for a valid reason, better be there.

I am going to believe what I know and what makes sense.

 

[txinvestigator]

I wish I could put this thread on my ignore list.

Bwahaahaahaaaa.

 

[lalonguecarabine]

I see we're "eating our own" again.
Why can't we gun folks just disagree and move on?
Life is too short, and we gun owners are in too short of supply to be constantly going after each other!

If you have any fight in you after reading a comment from someone else that you deem is asinine, then take that fight to our representatives!

 

[lalonguecarabine]

You know... Texas is a huge state, with a whole lot of different folks.

There's no way. NO WAY IN HELL, that we all are ever going to agree with one another on much of anything.
Unless someone is advocating burning babies or something, then petty disagreements on this forum need to be kept in perspective.

 

[ROGER4314]

The tard that manually types "FLASH!" at the end of every post he makes.

I have been called "Flash" since I was a little boy. In fact, few people around East Texas know me by my first name of "Roger" even though that is my real name. I am a retired teacher who is active in my community and county. I know thousands of the residents here and they all know me as "Flash."

I personally sign each post so a reader can tell that the words above it are mine and mine alone. I did not copy or paste the post and stand personally responsible for every word. Far too many of these posts are slop that is passed along with no citation or source and I try hard not to be guilty of that. Words of others are either credited or in quotes in my posts. When I post something that is incorrect, I come back and retract or correct it.

You might try that technique. It's a good step in stamping out the foolishness that appears so often on the Internet.

As to calling me a "Tard", If we were in person, I'd tell you to go (censored). Since we are guests in the home of another, I'll clean that up and suggest that you take a hike with TXI. Member number TWO for the ignore list! Life is just too damned short to put up with you!

I invite you to place me on YOUR ignore list. With that accomplished, my posts will totally disappear.

I don't need you, your friendship or your foolishness!

Flash

 

[xd.40]

I'm sorry, but any barbershop that would give the haircut Lanza had SHOULD be shut down.

^hahaha

 

[UncleSamsMisguidedChild]

I'm curious, what ever happened to the car dealership that sold the car he stole from his mother to go to the scene of the crime? I'd bet their audits don't pass 100%, yet cars kill more people every year than guns. I'd think the gov't should be actively pursuing the criminals who sold Mrs. Lanza her car as well.

 

[Shorts]

I'm sorry, but any barbershop that would give the haircut Lanza had SHOULD be shut down.

lol It was a pretty bad haircut.

 

[hkusp1]

If 11 guns were really missing the Government found out about it only after they closed the store down and did an inventory. Who are you going to believe.

It's called an audit, it happens pretty regularly. If the atf performs a general audit on a ffl they go through their A&D books and if you have serial numbers that match guns that aren't accounted for you get your ffl pulled.

Making mistakes is one thing but missing firearms is totally different, The ATF isn't going to pull your ffl or put you in jail because you checked the wrong box on a 4473 and didn't correct it but if you have a shit ton of missing guns (11 counts a shit ton) and try to conceal the fact than odds are at the very least they will pull your FFL.

Whenever a major crime like this happens the FFL always gets audited because the serial number goes straight back to the shop that it was sold at.

 

[Renegade]

There was due process, the FFL had 60 days to appeal the decision, he chose not to.

 

[Randy45]

This may be a stupid question, "please forgive" me but how is the serial number of a gun sold in gun shop tied back to a particular gun shop? I know we don't register guns in Texas so how and where is the information recorded? I realize they do NICS checks. Are copies of the sale sent to the ATF? Is this information part of the NICS check?

 

[hkusp1]

There was due process, the FFL had 60 days to appeal the decision, he chose not to.

I bet he'll set up shop somewhere else under a different name. It's one of those thing that can kill a gun shop, people tend to stay away from places that sold a gun that killed a bunch of people even though it wasn't the shop or the firearms fault.


Sent from my toaster using secret alien technology.

 

[Shorts]

This may be a stupid question, "please forgive" me but how is the serial number of a gun sold in gun shop tied back to a particular gun shop? I know we don't register guns in Texas so how and where is the information recorded? I realize they do NICS checks. Are copies of the sale sent to the ATF? Sorry don't mean to usurp the thread.

An incoming/outgoing firearm is logged by the FFL. There's specific terms. IIRC acquisition and disposition.

Pg 8 in this link
http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-15.pdf

 

[hkusp1]

This may be a stupid question, "please forgive" me but how is the serial number of a gun sold in gun shop tied back to a particular gun shop? I know we don't register guns in Texas so how and where is the information recorded? I realize they do NICS checks. Are copies of the sale sent to the ATF? Is this information part of the NICS check?

The serial number is tied to the manufacturer and the manufacturer has to keep records of which serial numbers are sold to each distributor and the distributor keeps records of which serial numbers are sold to each gun shop.


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[Acera]

This may be a stupid question, "please forgive" me but how is the serial number of a gun sold in gun shop tied back to a particular gun shop? I know we don't register guns in Texas so how and where is the information recorded? I realize they do NICS checks. Are copies of the sale sent to the ATF? Sorry don't mean to usurp the thread.

It's backtracked from the manufacturer to the distributor and then to the gun shop. All those steps keep serial number records of the guns that pass through. If one FFL sells or transfers it to another the process continues.

 

[kabob]

Gotta go with TXI here. I saw the interview and ATF officer stated the gun store owner was given "Written Notice" 60 days prior to his FFL being revoked. He knows why they pulled his license! Now....would the missing guns from inventory or what ever else he did warrant pulling his FFL if the Sandy Hooks shooting hadn't happened....probably not..but who can say for sure.

It doesn't take much for the ATF to pull your FFL. There are some strict guidelines in place that must be followed.

Alpine Shooting Range near Mansfield/Ft.Worth (not exactly sure what city they're in) shut down the entire gunsmithing side of their business after the ATF audited them last year. The inventory management and ticket tracking was very outdated and disorganized. They literally had hand-written tickets for all the work they did that was neither computerized nor filed in anything resembling an organized manner. The ATF was ready to hit them with heavy fines and pull their FFL. (Source is a good buddy of mine that used to work on my firearms that was one of the gunsmiths there)

 

[kabob]

I'm curious, what ever happened to the car dealership that sold the car he stole from his mother to go to the scene of the crime? I'd bet their audits don't pass 100%, yet cars kill more people every year than guns. I'd think the gov't should be actively pursuing the criminals who sold Mrs. Lanza her car as well.

'Cause there's no governing body that regulates the car dealership industry.

I think too many of you guys are going off the rails with the hyperbole.

 

[UncleSamsMisguidedChild]

'Cause there's no governing body that regulates the car dealership industry.

I think too many of you guys are going off the rails with the hyperbole.

Wrong you are

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