dustycorgill
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Yep, especially if Karl Rove's fat ass gets his way, with his stupid little white board. He infuriates me to no end. The GOP in general infuriates me.
Fox News Poll: Clinton, Christie on top in 2016 preference test
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Yep, especially if Karl Rove's fat ass gets his way, with his stupid little white board. He infuriates me to no end. The GOP in general infuriates me.
General Zod
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I have a feeling our only real chance is to ignore the Presidential election and concentrate on taking the Senate and owning it and the House for the foreseeable future. Combine that with a goal of getting Boehner and McConnell replaced with actual conservatives and handing McCain his walking papers as well, and our rights just might survive another four years...
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I like this. President isnt everything. Imagine a House with 50 Ted Cruzs or Senate with even 7 or 8.
dustycorgill
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THAT is genius!
How exactly do you figure he's electable if he's the kind of candidate that McCain and Romney were - the kind of candidate that drives voters to stay home, get drunk and cry.
Shooter McGavin
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Im referring mainly to the primaries as that'll be our one shot at sending a strong message, not just to DC but to the RNC as well. I'm not gonna go into the whole third party debate as its been battled over furiously here time and time again. I'm not gonna call it a wasted vote as the individual did go out and perform their civic duty regardless but until there's a third party candidate that can get just as much if not more support than a dem or pub hypothetically it's futile.
I was still following the thought of staying home.
Staying home does nothing. A stronger than usual 3rd party showing will send a much bigger message that we want change than a non vote.
Outside of that, I agree the 3rd party debate has been hashed and I doubt views will change for those who have been involved.
But if the choice is stay home, Hillary, or 3rd party.....please go 3rd party (libertarian in my mind, god help us if it's a 3rd party liberal).
I came to this same conclusion after Romney lost. The electoral math has become almost impossible for a Republican to win the presidency. To even hope to have a shot, he/she has to pander to various groups (steel/auto workers in Michigan, retirees in Florida, farmers in Iowa) in ways that turn off the base, and even then pretty much has to draw a royal flush to offset the California, NY/NJ, Illinois gimme that the Dem's don't even have to lift a finger for. Imagine if there were 4 or 5 Texas's that everyone knew would deliver 40+% of the electoral votes for the Republican before the race even started - that's the advantage the Dem's have. There just isn't any margin for error on our side.
So forget the presidency, we're not going to win it anyway and we're damaging the R brand trying. Nominate the hardest ass conservative you can find, have him or her lead the rhetorical charge and then focus all your efforts on taking back the Senate and expanding power in the House with more Tea Party types.
I probably tolerate "rino's" more than most here because I generally do believe the lesser of two evils is still better than the evil, but I cannot see myself voting for Christie should he be the nominee. I don't think he will be, because I don't think he will be forgiven for sucking up to Obama the week before the 2012 election and I think he's got some horrible NJ skeletons in his closet that have yet to come out. But man, I hope it doesn't come to that because I don't know what I'll do if it does.
If Christie can deliver New Jersey, that totally screws up the Dem's electoral math. And if he delivers NJ, Pennsylvania and Virginia would probably go red, and NY could potentially even be put into play although that's stretching things a bit.
I'm not saying I want Christie or that he'll get the nomination, but the cold hard truth is that unless the R's figure out a way to break up or at least offset the Cali/NY/NJ electoral trifecta, we may not see a Republican president again in our lifetimes.
OK, so Christie delivers NJ. Hell, assume he can deliver CA and NY while you're at it.
So what? Where's the victory? Hooray for the Republicans winning an election, I guess. Too bad the result wouldn't be any different than if the Dems had won.
RetArmySgt
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And every time Cruz has defeat anyone in a debate the media starts a long campaign of how he is a bully and just attacks people trying to make them look and feel stupid.
AcidFlashGordon
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And as for our choice between Christie or Clinton? That's about the same difference as a shit sandwich and a BIGGER shit sandwich. They're both still shit sandwiches.
You asked how Christie could be considered electable. Among other things, it's because he would be presumed to deliver New Jersey and blow up the Democrat's electoral college advantage.
As I mentioned, normally I'm somewhat tolerant of a lesser of two evils strategy, especially when the alternative is a complete disaster like Obama. Sure, I'd love a President Ted Cruz, but he's not going to carry Florida or Virginia or Ohio, because those guys want their government goodies. And without pretty much every one of those states, you can't beat the Cal/NY/NJ electoral block. So we have to accept some compromise or, as others have mentioned and I agreed, just forget the presidency and focus on Congress.
Having said that, I don't accept that McCain or Romney would have been equally as bad as Obama, or even in the same ballpark. If nothing else, we don't get complete fools on the SC like Kagan and Sontemayor for the next 25 years. Maybe we only get partial fools like Roberts, but that's better than the alternative. When Scalia dies or retires, we are screwed because all those 5-4 decisions like Heller start to flip the other way.
Which is why I draw the line with Christie. He goes out of his way to stick a thumb in the eye of the conservative base every chance he gets. I don't understand why, because philosophically he's pretty much with us on most issues and, when he wants to, can make an excellent case for fiscal conservatism. But his record of appointments to the New Jersey courts is horrible, for no reason other than to give the finger to guys like me. I don't trust him to hold the court, and that's a huge, huge issue for me.
GOP establishment wins either way, even with Clinton beating Christie. Either candidate will support their endless wars and cronyism. Rand Paul/Ted Cruz are a greater threat to their ways of life. 3rd party as a statement solves nothing. There has to be a successful reform of the GOP.
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Are Cruz and/or Rand for shutting down the Afghan war? Im starting to think Marx was write about "wars being fought to be fought, not to win".
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Christie has no business being at the top of this poll. McCain: had some virtues, paid a huge sacrifice for country. I didnt vote for him in the primaries but at least he did something in life. Romney: again, didnt vote for him in primary but he was a rich businessman at least.
What has Christie done?
What has Christie done?
Rand and Cruz are for ending the money stream for the private military industrial complex. They talk tough on defending the nation and fighting terror, as they should, but they are also playing the political game in order to successfully reform the GOP.
seeker_two
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Christie isn't a compromise, he's an unconditional surrender. If it comes down to choosing between Clinton and Christie, then I vote third-party. It may be an Alamo move....but everyone remembers the Alamo...
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That's about the way I feel too.
