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  • karlac

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    No harm no foul. but the screenshot above explain where I am coming from.
    I see that, and don't blame you. Sorry for the snark.
    On Net Neutrality, I am ... neutral. The future can be better, or worse. We will have to see.

    As I see it, the worst is we get to go back to 2015 and take it from there.
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    Can't stand it any longer. I'm going to have to go check on what evil shenanigans by the dems are being aimed at Trump today.

    As ever, despite talking past each other is still a historical feature of our discussions, I've always enjoyed your input and insight, Younggun. It doesn't go unnoticed.

    Agree.
     

    karlac

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    OK lets go with that. Anything I said recently that was stupid was not me, but a software glitch. -:) Can I use that going forward too?

    LOL ... might want to, if you can prove it. ;)

    Use your browser to inspect the block of text in the actual page of the html code with the quote in question and you see that the blockquote text (which we know that was actually written by Younggun) shows the data-author = Renegade in line 11.

    That can't be anything but a software bug/glitch, as we know without question you did not write it, yet the quote on the page is erroneously attributed to you:

    Glitch.jpg


    Anyone else feel free to check it out themselves. Not the place to go into it here, but I have a theory on how this happens, if an Admin is interested.
     

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    Per Obama & FCC 'net neutrality' rule is to control content, not price. You still 'buy' your 'speed'. ~15 yrs ago, France and Germany had a 'net' infrastructure battle, one lost and the other had to tear up and replace their hardware network. Not cheap. Net neutrality is just a political maneuver for businesses. Loss of control of the IP assignment structure is the real 'bad boy' anymore. Last time I looked at the list of 'bad' IPs, was >50 printer pages long.
     

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    LOL ... might want to, if you can prove it. ;)

    Use your browser to inspect the block of text in the actual page of the html code with the quote in question and you see that the blockquote text (which we know that was actually written by Younggun) shows the data-author = Renegade in line 11.

    That can't be anything but a software bug/glitch, as we know without question you did not write it, yet the quote on the page is erroneously attributed to you:

    View attachment 127050

    Anyone else feel free to check it out themselves. Not the place to go into it here, but I have a theory on how this happens, if an Admin is interested.

    Don't fool yourself in to thinking the admin know anything about IT, lol.
     

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    ~15 yrs ago, France and Germany had a 'net' infrastructure battle, one lost and the other had to tear up and replace their hardware network.

    You might wanna try and get your news from some place other than wackybullshit.net.
     

    benenglish

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    That's (Minitel vs BTX) the only thing I could think of that might come close, but that was before the Internet and thus longer than 15 years ago
    I'm not sure what time frames you guys are discussing but Minitel existed in some form from 1978 to 2012, was widely distributed, very popular, and much loved. BTX was from 1983 to 2001 and afaik no one ever really cared for it.
     

    TheDan

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    The Internet was not designed by gov or with defense in mind. It was designed by geeks, and later commercial interests.
    Yep. The Internet Engineering Task Force is responsible for "the internet" as we know it today, and it is not associated with any government or corporation. NASA didn't invent Tang either...
     

    karlac

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    Yep. The Internet Engineering Task Force is responsible for "the internet" as we know it today, and it is not associated with any government or corporation. NASA didn't invent Tang either...

    IETF was created by the IAB in 1986 to coordinate the development of protocols funded by the DOD's Advanced Research Projects Agency. While it was not a government entity, per se, its existence was dependent upon existing government involvement and funding of the ARPANET until it became part of the Internet Society (ISOC) in the early 1990's, as it remains today.
     

    candcallen

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    Always remember that more government control never leds to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It always leads to less freedom and happiness. Make you decision from that position and you will be safe.
     

    TheDan

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    Romania has the fastest network access in Europe. It got that way not because of the virtues of social programs, but because of the lack of them. The Romanian government was struggling to re-organize itself in the 90s and it initially missed regulating internet telecommunications. That caused a grey market to pop up, with every neighborhood having it's own ISP and sometimes multiple ISPs. These neighborhood ISPs would run the cabling themselves and peer with other ISPs voluntarily, because that's just how the internet works.

    The lack of regulation allowed for a dense and well meshed infrastructure to emerge organically. Telecommunications regulations we have here in the US pretty much guarantee we'll never see competing neighborhood level ISPs. Only the giant corporations can afford to play.

    When regulators try to come in and manage these neighborhood ISPs in Romania and other countries with similar internet histories, they get chased out of town with gardening implements. That would never happen here. If you think the IRS is bad, try messing with the FCC...
     

    karlac

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    .... That caused a grey market to pop up, with every neighborhood having it's own ISP and sometimes multiple ISPs. These neighborhood ISPs would run the cabling themselves and peer with other ISPs voluntarily, because that's just how the internet works.

    Basically what those of us who did not have academic accounts in the mid to late 80's did. Many of us who ran BBS' until the mid 90's offered dial up access portals to the Internet from our own accounts through outfits like Worldcom.

    My company in those days paid for 4 T-1 lines, some of that paid for ($800 +/- month each) by providing an access point to the Internet to other companies in the office complex.

    The lack of regulation allowed for a dense and well meshed infrastructure to emerge organically. Telecommunications regulations we have here in the US pretty much guarantee we'll never see competing neighborhood level ISPs. Only the giant corporations can afford to play.

    Pretty much my sentiment, stated in post #5

    When regulators try to come in and manage these neighborhood ISPs in Romania and other countries with similar internet histories, they get chased out of town with gardening implements. That would never happen here. If you think the IRS is bad, try messing with the FCC...

    We can only wish ... as long as the big players can buy local politicians, it ain't gonna happen. Been to too many city council meetings where presentations were made by the likes of Verizon, AT&T and ComCast, ostensibly to provide Internet service, but cleverly hiding the fact their proposals would preclude competition in any form.

    It's getting better, but it is doubtful we'll ever get there as long as the almighty pursuit of an increase in the "tax base" is more important to our elected officials and city management than a benefit to the consumer by ISP competition.
     

    TheDan

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    Basically what those of us who did not have academic accounts in the mid to late 80's did. Many of us who ran BBS' until the mid 90's offered dial up access portals to the Internet from our own accounts through outfits like Worldcom.
    That takes me back... I used to be king of Barren Realms Elite on our local BBS.
     

    karlac

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    That takes me back... I used to be king of Barren Realms Elite on our local BBS.

    My programming buddy and I ran "Programmers Attic" and a mail only FidoNet node as well.
    AAMOF, we developed the very first "Windows" Fidonet mail client.
    Aptly called "WinMail", too bad software patent's were unheard of at the time. :(
     
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