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    which is best for home defense ?

    Personally, when we are in SATX or McKinney, it's #4 buck for me & 5.56NATO for Darla, as she is so petite (60#/90#) but is DEADLY with her Model 7615P carbine.
    (The 7615P takes standard M16 mags.)

    On the farm (where I may have to counter rifle fire), give me my "go to" Model 760 (with its 10 round mag), loaded with 180 grain JHP in .300SAV & my pump shotgun loaded with #1 or 0 buck.
    (From a covered/concealed position inside our farmhouse, I feel that we'll be FINE until the county patrol arrives to help. = The county's sheriff's department is about a 1/2 hour away, down a winding/narrow county road.)

    yours, Darla & satx
     
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    I double dare someone to wake up out of bed at 3:30 in the morning. And immediately fire a high brass buckshot load (any size) out of a riot shotgun. I'm gonna need a video.

    Set up a tent outside and fall dead sleep. You have 3 seconds to engage a target at 15 feet....timed from the second you wake up. No earlier then 2:30a.m.

    I wanna see it.
     

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    A retired DEA agent I knew, recommend #4. His personal observations as told by him. It was more effective then OO.


    grasshopperglock,

    I agree with your retired DEA contact about #4 buck OUT TO ABOUT 30M but NOT much beyond that range.
    (Between 25-50M, #1 or 0 buck is clearly superior to #4 buck.)
    For ranges from CONTACT to 20+M, #4 buck is superior to larger pellets because of its LIMITED LETHAL RANGE.
    (Engaging targets at ranges beyond 50M is a job for a carbine or rifle, imo.)

    Reference your 3 second "test": NOBODY can do that, including people like me who have a riot-gun (and a 9mm SA pistol) within easy arms reach from my side of our bed, BUT why are you talking about 3 seconds??
    (We have an alarm that awakens us when an intruder enters our "secured zone", steps on an interior floor, breaks any window glass and/or "forces a door".)
    I figure that I have at least 10-15 seconds to retrieve my riot-gun before any intruder can enter the interior of our domicile and/or cause significant harm.

    yours, satx
     
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    grasshopperglock,

    I agree with your retired DEA contact about #4 buck OUT TO ABOUT 30M but NOT much beyond that range.
    (Between 25-50M, #1 or 0 buck is clearly superior to #4 buck.)
    For ranges from CONTACT to 20+M, #4 buck is superior to larger pellets because of its LIMITED LETHAL RANGE.
    (Engaging targets at ranges beyond 50M is a job for a carbine or rifle, imo.)

    Reference your 3 second "test": NOBODY can do that, including people like me who have a riot-gun (and a 9mm SA pistol) within easy arms reach from my side of our bed, BUT why are you talking about 3 seconds??
    (We have an alarm that awakens us when an intruder enters our "secured zone", steps on an interior floor, breaks any window glass and/or "forces a door".)
    I figure that I have at least 10-15 seconds to retrieve my riot-gun before any intruder can enter the interior of our domicile and/or cause significant harm.

    yours, satx
    Since this thread is about home defense, 30 meters should be adequate.
     
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    grasshopperglock,

    I agree with your retired DEA contact about #4 buck OUT TO ABOUT 30M but NOT much beyond that range.
    (Between 25-50M, #1 or 0 buck is clearly superior to #4 buck.)
    For ranges from CONTACT to 20+M, #4 buck is superior to larger pellets because of its LIMITED LETHAL RANGE.
    (Engaging targets at ranges beyond 50M is a job for a carbine or rifle, imo.)

    Reference your 3 second "test": NOBODY can do that, including people like me who have a riot-gun (and a 9mm SA pistol) within easy arms reach from my side of our bed, BUT why are you talking about 3 seconds??
    (We have an alarm that awakens us when an intruder enters our "secured zone", steps on an interior floor, breaks any window glass and/or "forces a door".)
    I figure that I have at least 10-15 seconds to retrieve my riot-gun before any intruder can enter the interior of our domicile and/or cause significant harm.

    yours, satx

    You wake up and somebody is standing in the doorway. 3 seconds. Count it off. It's a long a time. One banana, two banana, three banana.

    15-20'. You have to be asleep. Buck or slug.
     
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    I double dare someone to wake up out of bed at 3:30 in the morning. And immediately fire a high brass buckshot load (any size) out of a riot shotgun. I'm gonna need a video.

    Set up a tent outside and fall dead sleep. You have 3 seconds to engage a target at 15 feet....timed from the second you wake up. No earlier then 2:30a.m.

    I wanna see it.

    I just tried this exercise. Laying down jumped out of bed grabbed my pistol (safe and clear) and aimed at the front door..3.3 sec. So with that I do not see how one can grab a shotgun shoulder it and get on target all out of a dead sleep in 3 sec.

    So my question is..based on your 3 sec rule would you say the pistol is the best "bump in the night" weapon?
     

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    Since this thread is about home defense, 30 meters should be adequate.

    ZX9RCAM,

    May I suggest that you re-read comment #5, as the answer is: For urban/suburban home defense, buckshot is to be preferred.
    (Otoh, on our family farm, where the range may be as much as 200-300M+, you may be defending against a criminal predator armed with a "deer rifle", a carbine/rifle may well be indicated.)

    yours, satx
     

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    Buckshot (or less) inside the house (unless you have a big ass house, 30 meters = 90+ FT?).

    Charlie,

    IF (and that's a GIANT "if") nobody fires on you from out in the yard OR (as happened to me 2+ decades ago on our farm) tries to throw a fire-bomb into your home, you are CORRECT.
    (In that case, 2 loads of pellets out of my DB 12 gauge "bird gun" & fired from a covered/concealed position (out of the kitchen window) "put a sudden halt to that criminal plan" until the 1st county patrol arrived, 18 minutes after I dialed 9-1-1.
    (A total of 4 SD units arrived within 40 minutes.)

    One of my HS chums, who was then a SGT with the SD, said that the 4 drugged-up thugs thought it was my late wife inside & they admitted having planned to gang-rape/rob/murder her.
    (They thought that "VK" was at our farmhouse alone, because I was driving her sports car that night. = Carlos V_______ later told "Buck", "I was going to cut the puta's [obscenity deleted] throat after we got done with her.")

    "Buck" also said, "You best be damned glad that you had a gun & were willing to use it, as otherwise they would have burned you out before we could get way out here."

    Turns all 4 thugs were drinking liquor & taking "speed".
    (NOBODY since, day or night, has gone about their daily routine out there, W/O a handgun/rifle/shotgun, for self defense.)

    yours, satx
     

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    ZX9RCAM,

    May I suggest that you re-read comment #5, as the answer is: For urban/suburban home defense, buckshot is to be preferred.
    (Otoh, on our family farm, where the range may be as much as 200-300M+, you may be defending against a criminal predator armed with a "deer rifle", a carbine/rifle may well be indicated.)

    yours, satx
    Property defense is different than home defense. When the average person says "home defense", they are referring to things happening INSIDE their home. So yeah, probably nothing more than 30 to 40 FEET for all but the most HUGENORMOUS mansions.

    Now if I need to protect the property, I'm grabbing a long gun before I step foot outside the house if, as satx posits, we're referring to rural property.
     
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