There are 6.5 creedmoor rifles that use a 20" barrel, so if you're okay with the loss in velocity you have some optionsI shoot my 5.56 out to 600 all the time. Only so close I can group it with a 6X scope.
I prefer the Creedmore over Grendal. But damn 24" is gonna make it hard to build a balanced rifle
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I prefer the Creedmore over Grendal. But damn 24" is gonna make it hard to build a balanced rifle
Not really new been out over 10 years. Just not "discovered" until recently.
Its not worth it IMO to build a giant AR15 when 5.56 is more than capable of going over 600 yards, and 6.5CM will outperform it (.224) at longer distances
The .224 Valkyrie out performs the .223/5.56. It can reach to 1000 yards. Given that it's only been around for a couple years, with time you'll see this cartridge develop to it's full potential.
OP listed 600yds as a max range which is right at the tipping point of the 224v gaining big ground over the 223. Here is a comparison in ballistics (223 73gr match and 224v 90gr match) now keep in mind this is providing that guns reach the advertised velocity. Drop isn't a big concern as it's the easiest factor in longer range shooting but wind is you're separator and I plugged in a full value 3 o'clock 10mph wind. The 223 is within .1-.3mil all the way out to 600 which is not a great deal and imo well worth the sacrifice when you factor in it's 5-6$ less per box over the good federal 90gr stuff.The .224 Valkyrie out performs the .223/5.56. It can reach to 1000 yards. Given that it's only been around for a couple years, with time you'll see this cartridge develop to it's full potential.
You are missing the point I'm making.
.224 requires a very long barrel.
5.56 is capable out to 600 yards, even in carbine format
6.5CM vastly out performs both at longer range.
Why would you go with .224V, when the only thing it does better than 5.56, is still far inferior than 6.5 creedmoor?
You probably wouldn't, like the vast majority of people who aren't shooting .224, and are either going for a smaller, lighter 5.56, or just accepting that a long range semi auto precision rifle will neither be short, or light, and getting the extra space a .308 pattern AR provides.
And as for its full potential, history is littered with cartridges whose full potential was only a dead end. Will that be what happens to .224V? I don't know. The "not 5.56 in an AR15" is already a pretty crowded market, but as you said, its still new
OP listed 600yds as a max range which is right at the tipping point of the 224v gaining big ground over the 223. Here is a comparison in ballistics (223 73gr match and 224v 90gr match) now keep in mind this is providing that guns reach the advertised velocity. Drop isn't a big concern as it's the easiest factor in longer range shooting but wind is you're separator and I plugged in a full value 3 o'clock 10mph wind. The 223 is within .1-.3mil all the way out to 600 which is not a great deal and imo well worth the sacrifice when you factor in it's 5-6$ less per box over the good federal 90gr stuff. View attachment 173502 View attachment 173503
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I think you are making the mistake of only considering scenarios you would find yourself in.
I spent the weekend shooting rabbits in west Texas. My longest shot was probably around 150 yards so bullet drop wasn’t a big factor. That said, if the vegetation was shorter shots could have gone much longer. When that happens a flatter shooting bullet gives more room for error in range estimation. You can know your drops down to the yard but it won’t help if you don’t know the distance with the same accuracy and there’s usually not time to dig out a rangefinder.
Same issue with wind drift. The better the bullets handled wind, the more room for error when it comes to compensating for it. Get it wrong and instead of a stationary target you get one that’s running and changing direction.
My AR is fairly heavy, but MUCH lighter than my RPR in 6.5CM. Same weight with less drop and wind drift sounds like a win and I’d be ha d loading anyways so cost difference is negligible.
Yes, a .224V would beat .223 hands down for varmint hunting.
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