80% lower law

[Renegade]

Got a link to a law stating that?

No these are industry terms to differentiate a lower that is not a firearm from one ATF is. Stupid terms IMO, but I am not going to fight it.

 

[Maverick44]

No these are industry terms to differentiate a lower that is not a firearm from one ATF is. Stupid terms IMO, but I am not going to fight it.

Then at what point does a lower legally become a firearm? If there is no law, then I should be able to buy a 99% done lower.

 

[Renegade]

Then at what point does a lower legally become a firearm? If there is no law, then I should be able to buy a 99% done lower.

Companies make a lower and submit it to ATF for determination. I guess the start with a complete lower and keep backing out features till ATF says OK. They then call it 80%.

Dive in here

https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks

http://www.guns.com/2014/11/11/atf-issues-80-percent-receiver-clarification/

 

[Maverick44]

Companies make a lower and submit it to ATF for determination. I guess the start with a complete lower and keep backing out features till ATF says OK. They then call it 80%.

Dive in here

https://www.atf.gov/qa-category/receiver-blanks

http://www.guns.com/2014/11/11/atf-issues-80-percent-receiver-clarification/

Thank you.

I believe the OPs question can be answered with those links then. He wanted proof that a 80% lower was legal, and that pretty much sums it up. As long as it has a serial number when finished, I don't see how someone could claim it's illegal to own one once finished.

 

[Renegade]

Thank you.

I believe the OPs question can be answered with those links then. He wanted proof that a 80% lower was legal, and that pretty much sums it up. As long as it has a serial number when finished, I don't see how someone could claim it's illegal to own one once finished.

It does not need a SN to be legal, and since it is not made by a FFL the SN is meaningless anyway.

I am in the process of making a Mattel Lower, I will use the patent number of the M-16 Marauder as SN.

 

[jeepinbanditrider]

A guy on ARFCOM built a replica of the M16A2 he was issued in the first Gulf War using an 80 percent lower, right down the S/N on the original rifle. Really neat.

 

[Hickeroar]

This is pretty interesting stuff. I wonder how this changes if an AWB is in place. Would you still be able to complete your own personal lower or would the 80% lower itself become illegal at that point? Great link, Renegade.

 

[Southpaw]

This is pretty interesting stuff. I wonder how this changes if an AWB is in place. Would you still be able to complete your own personal lower or would the 80% lower itself become illegal at that point? Great link, Renegade.

An "AWB" could include anything. Without an actual bill to read, one could only speculate on what an "AWB" would or would not include.

 

[Bozz10mm]

If possesion were to be banned, it would be illegal to build your own from 80%.. If sales were banned, build from 80% might be the only way to get one.
Since 80% is not considered a firearm, do you need to go thru an FFL to purchase from an LGS or online? May have answered my own question there.

 

[Southpaw]

If possesion were to be banned, it would be illegal to build your own from 80%.. If sales were banned, build from 80% might be the only way to get one.
Since 80% is not considered a firearm, do you need to go thru an FFL to purchase from an LGS or online? May have answered my own question there.

Nope.. ship it to your door by the case load if you like.

 

[Shady]

No FFL required

If possesion were to be banned, it would be illegal to build your own from 80%.. If sales were banned, build from 80% might be the only way to get one.
Since 80% is not considered a firearm, do you need to go thru an FFL to purchase from an LGS or online? May have answered my own question there.