GlockOwner
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Here is a hypothetical debate with a liberal about gun control. Let me know how I can improve my argument and where I completely screwed up.
Liberal: Why can't you gun nuts just accept the common sense measurement of universal background checks?! Help keep the guns out of the criminal's hands!
Me: Universal background checks won't do anything to keep criminals from acquiring guns, because the "black market" doesn't exactly obey the law.
Liberal: I get that, but at least it would be a step in the right direction.
Me: What direction are you trying to go here? All a universal background check would do is be the first step to establishing a registry, that will ultimately lead to confiscation.
Liberal: You gun idiots need to stop assuming things like that, we just want people to be able to feel safe in their own neighborhoods!
Me: Diane Feinstein, a champion of stupid gun control measures, is on record as saying she wants all guns gone. In New York, where there is already a gun registry, they are using that info to issue notices to certain people to turn in certain guns.
Liberal: Well maybe a gun free society is a safer society
Me: Check your facts. Look at the FBI crime stats compared to the Home Office (keeps record of crime stats for England and Wales) crime stats. On a per capita level, the US has quite a bit LESS violent crimes than England and Wales, yet England and Wales have ridiculous restrictions on the ownership of firearms.
Liberal: Sure the UK has more violent crimes, but the US has more gun crimes, and I'd much rather have 3 innocent people with a black eye and busted nose after a robbery than 1 innocent person with a bullet to the head after a robbery. We should strive for a gun free society and we would have less murder!
Me: Ever heard of the second amendment?
Liberal: You know the 2nd amendment has the word REGULATED attached to it? It also says the "militia"! You are not part of a militia, and even if you were, it is well within the governments power to regulate as they see fit!
Me: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I know exactly what it says. The part being regulated is the militia, and the word regulate, in that context, means that the militia, in order to be considered "regulated", needs to make sure they have all the necessary accouterments to succeed. Also, let's replace a few words of the second amendment to help you figure out a few things. "A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the health of the nation, the right of the people to keep and eat cereal shall not be infringed.
Who gets the cereal, the breakfast or the people?" (stole that line from a member here lol)
Liberal: Ok fine, if you want to play semantics, what about the fact that the second amendment was written when muskets were used and not assault weapons like the AR-15? Turn in your AR-15, cause that isn't protected at all!
Me: Under that logic, nothing on TV is free speech, since there wasn't TV back then. The government gets to control everything said on TV.
Liberal: Why do you NEED an AR-15 that can shoot 30 times before reloading?! If you can't hit your target after 30 shots, you shouldn't own a gun! (I've stolen a few lines from members of this very forum, cause they were good at getting the point across)
Me: I could ask the same thing about all kinds of useless crap you have...but the thing is...the 2nd amendment protects my right to have an AR-15...it is, after all, call the Bill of RIGHTS...not the Bill of NEEDS.
Liberal: What if we repeal the 2nd amendment? We've repealed an amendment before, why can't we repeal the 2nd?
Me: "...shall not be infringed" A government is there to PROTECT these rights, and these rights are there to protect us from the government!
Liberal: Why do you live in fear like the government is going to come for you and imprison you or something?! Get a grip, it won't happen! You just sound like a conspiracy lunatic!
Me: Surely, after everything that has come to light over the past year, you do not STILL trust the government?!
Liberal: Why can't you gun nuts just accept the common sense measurement of universal background checks?! Help keep the guns out of the criminal's hands!
Me: Universal background checks won't do anything to keep criminals from acquiring guns, because the "black market" doesn't exactly obey the law.
Liberal: I get that, but at least it would be a step in the right direction.
Me: What direction are you trying to go here? All a universal background check would do is be the first step to establishing a registry, that will ultimately lead to confiscation.
Liberal: You gun idiots need to stop assuming things like that, we just want people to be able to feel safe in their own neighborhoods!
Me: Diane Feinstein, a champion of stupid gun control measures, is on record as saying she wants all guns gone. In New York, where there is already a gun registry, they are using that info to issue notices to certain people to turn in certain guns.
Liberal: Well maybe a gun free society is a safer society
Me: Check your facts. Look at the FBI crime stats compared to the Home Office (keeps record of crime stats for England and Wales) crime stats. On a per capita level, the US has quite a bit LESS violent crimes than England and Wales, yet England and Wales have ridiculous restrictions on the ownership of firearms.
Liberal: Sure the UK has more violent crimes, but the US has more gun crimes, and I'd much rather have 3 innocent people with a black eye and busted nose after a robbery than 1 innocent person with a bullet to the head after a robbery. We should strive for a gun free society and we would have less murder!
Me: Ever heard of the second amendment?
Liberal: You know the 2nd amendment has the word REGULATED attached to it? It also says the "militia"! You are not part of a militia, and even if you were, it is well within the governments power to regulate as they see fit!
Me: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I know exactly what it says. The part being regulated is the militia, and the word regulate, in that context, means that the militia, in order to be considered "regulated", needs to make sure they have all the necessary accouterments to succeed. Also, let's replace a few words of the second amendment to help you figure out a few things. "A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the health of the nation, the right of the people to keep and eat cereal shall not be infringed.
Who gets the cereal, the breakfast or the people?" (stole that line from a member here lol)
Liberal: Ok fine, if you want to play semantics, what about the fact that the second amendment was written when muskets were used and not assault weapons like the AR-15? Turn in your AR-15, cause that isn't protected at all!
Me: Under that logic, nothing on TV is free speech, since there wasn't TV back then. The government gets to control everything said on TV.
Liberal: Why do you NEED an AR-15 that can shoot 30 times before reloading?! If you can't hit your target after 30 shots, you shouldn't own a gun! (I've stolen a few lines from members of this very forum, cause they were good at getting the point across)
Me: I could ask the same thing about all kinds of useless crap you have...but the thing is...the 2nd amendment protects my right to have an AR-15...it is, after all, call the Bill of RIGHTS...not the Bill of NEEDS.
Liberal: What if we repeal the 2nd amendment? We've repealed an amendment before, why can't we repeal the 2nd?
Me: "...shall not be infringed" A government is there to PROTECT these rights, and these rights are there to protect us from the government!
Liberal: Why do you live in fear like the government is going to come for you and imprison you or something?! Get a grip, it won't happen! You just sound like a conspiracy lunatic!
Me: Surely, after everything that has come to light over the past year, you do not STILL trust the government?!