Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation

[ftw13]

yeah i would never join an org that fashioned their outfits after the spanish inquisition
and yes the weather is hot as hell,i cannot wait for winter to get here.

 

[Clockwork]

Don't talk to me about hot weather.

 

[TheDan]

You find me just ONE (1) liberal on this website that people haven't simply run off! Many of you are so FAR RIGHT and PISSED OFF at the system that you go out of your way to even make moderates like myself feel unwelcome as often as possible (I'm looking directly at you, West Texas. At least Skeeter is humorous about it.) There is no such thing as a liberal viewpoint on Texas Gun Talk unless I CHOOSE to point out another side to an argument and it's pretty damned pathetic that some of you can read an article that calls half of Americans a "cancer" and call it "spot on". Hmm, sounds a lot to me like the kind of speech that, oh, to bring up somebody that has already been mentioned in this topic, HITLER might say.

I bet the same people that call that article "spot on" would also identify themselves as "good Christians", hmm?

Well, I consider myself pretty liberal. Liberal in a classic "maximum personal liberties" way, not the more modern meaning of liberal. I definitely don't identify myself as a "good Christian" either. I don't think about religion enough to label myself anything. I haven't been run off yet. I also don't get into pissing contests over opinion.

I would say the article is spot on except on two points.
1) When the author says "liberal", I think he really means "progressive" or "Americana socialist". I really think most people miss-use the word liberal these days. Of course, I'm not sure that the "progressive" moniker fits either, but that's what the people with those ideals originally called themselves... I feel progressive ideas are a cancer that loves to spread, and those ideas need to be met head on and challenged.
2) I doubt Obama will be remembered in the annals of history as the guy that woke up America. Is it happening? Yes indeed, but there are still tons of folks that think FDR was a great prez. A lot of that has to do with people spinning the truth, but people as a whole tend to view history through rose colored glasses. Same will happen for Obama. 100yrs from now the history books will say he was the first black US president, and they probably wont say much else other than that.

 

[TheDan]

T Before WWI, most Americans claimed their first alligence to their state and not the United States.

+1
Whenever someone from abroad asks me where I'm from, I always say Texas! Before I lived here I used to say Colorado or Louisiana depending on where I was living at the time. I never claimed Mississippi, tho

 

[texas skeeter]

John Stossel....Bernard Goldberg. Whoops, thats 2

good choices there TC!! i like both of them..

 

[texas skeeter]

I'm not familiar with the ones that texascop2 listed.

we know there CW, cause they're not on CNN,CNBC or Air America!!!

 

[West Texas]

Well, I consider myself pretty liberal. Liberal in a classic "maximum personal liberties" way, not the more modern meaning of liberal. I definitely don't identify myself as a "good Christian" either. I don't think about religion enough to label myself anything. I haven't been run off yet. I also don't get into pissing contests over opinion.

I would say the article is spot on except on two points.
1) When the author says "liberal", I think he really means "progressive" or "Americana socialist". I really think most people miss-use the word liberal these days. Of course, I'm not sure that the "progressive" moniker fits either, but that's what the people with those ideals originally called themselves... I feel progressive ideas are a cancer that loves to spread, and those ideas need to be met head on and challenged.
2) I doubt Obama will be remembered in the annals of history as the guy that woke up America. Is it happening? Yes indeed, but there are still tons of folks that think FDR was a great prez. A lot of that has to do with people spinning the truth, but people as a whole tend to view history through rose colored glasses. Same will happen for Obama. 100yrs from now the history books will say he was the first black US president, and they probably wont say much else other than that.

Agreed. In true political form, the meaning of the term Liberal has changed so it canbe used as acover for what they really believe and practice.

I've always thought of myself as more of a "Live and Let Live" type of guy. I don't want the Government telling me what I can and can't do, or taking away large chunks of what I have worked hard for just to give it to someone who won't work.

I do consider myself a Christian and try to live by two passages of scripture that sum it all up for me:

Matthew 22:36-40 (NLT)
36 "Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?"
37 Jesus replied, " `You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul,
and all your mind.'
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 A second is equally important: `Love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 All the other commandments and all the demands of the prophets are
based on these two commandments."​

Micah 6:8 (NLT)
8 No, O people, the LORD has already told you what is good, and this is what he requires:
to do what is right, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.​

 

[oldguy]

Interesting thread guys, just as small note I was raised in a rural setting back east many years ago most of the folks voted democrat but they certainly lived there lives as ultra conservative most simply believed dems supplied jobs not welfare as the years progressed and the democrat party change into this far left party some are still unaware of how the party has developed into this progressive movement that appear to hate America, this is not about race it is about ideas and how people wish to live there lives and I believe most people live life as conservatives especially as they age. IMO this is the most progressive group we have ever had in power and therefore the most dangerous to America.

For me personally voting for anyone under the democrat banner is gone and believe me in the past I've have done so many times and to survive the GOP need changes also but that is another topic.

Note: Simply because a leader is viewed as "smart" does not mean he will be an effective leader, common sense and dedication to the country may be far more valuable some of our brightest people have been criminals, just a thought.

 

[barhob]

''BEWARE THE FURY OF A PATIENT MAN'' -- John Dryden

 

[rodbender]

moderates like myself ?

What, exactly, is a moderate? What do moderates want?

Do you want moderate national debt?
Do you want moderate illegal immigration?
Do you want moderate civil rights violations?
Do you want moderate gun control?
Do you want moderate redistribution of wealth?
Do you want moderate abortion rights?
Do you want moderate income taxes?
Do you want moderate stimulus?
Do you want moderate bailouts?
Do you want moderate government regulation?
Do you want moderate government health care?
Do you want moderate government control "cradle to grave"?

What the hell is a moderate? Better yet, what exactly do moderates want?

I think moderates want to to be labeled as such to be able to say, "I am not extreme, one way or the other". Extreme is not such a bad word. The founders would be considered extreme today. The framers of the Constitution would also be thought of as extreme.

I AM EXTREME RIGHT. I am so far right that most "conservatives" would be considered leftist if my way of thinking were the benchmark. I'm proud of that fact. I realize that government is necessary. But, when government oversteps it's intended limitations, it is time to be extreme, very extreme.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

im with you rod +100000000000

 

[texas skeeter]

I AM EXTREME RIGHT. I am so far right that most "conservatives" would be considered leftist if my way of thinking were the benchmark. I'm proud of that fact. I realize that government is necessary. But, when government oversteps it's intended limitations, it is time to be extreme, very extreme.

HEY!! you just described me!!! just ask CW.....

 

[zembonez]

This thread has a life of its own.

Great reading!

 

[Clockwork]

What, exactly, is a moderate? What do moderates want?

Do you want moderate national debt?
Do you want moderate illegal immigration?
Do you want moderate civil rights violations?
Do you want moderate gun control?
Do you want moderate redistribution of wealth?
Do you want moderate abortion rights?
Do you want moderate income taxes?
Do you want moderate stimulus?
Do you want moderate bailouts?
Do you want moderate government regulation?
Do you want moderate government health care?
Do you want moderate government control "cradle to grave"?

What the hell is a moderate? Better yet, what exactly do moderates want?

I think moderates want to to be labeled as such to be able to say, "I am not extreme, one way or the other". Extreme is not such a bad word. The founders would be considered extreme today. The framers of the Constitution would also be thought of as extreme.

I AM EXTREME RIGHT. I am so far right that most "conservatives" would be considered leftist if my way of thinking were the benchmark. I'm proud of that fact. I realize that government is necessary. But, when government oversteps it's intended limitations, it is time to be extreme, very extreme.

Hmm, there is so much wrong with this post where should I even begin? I'll probably end up on two or three watch lists just for replying to this guy.

First off -- I absolutely refuse to play some stupid kind of word game with you over the term 'moderate'. You know damn well what that means and if you don't then you're in the wrong place.

Extreme is absolutely a bad word and I hate it when self-proclaimed "extreme" thinkers liken themselves to the founding fathers of our country stating that "they were extreme". WEARING SHORTS was extreme in the 1700s. You and your kind are nothing like the framers of the Constitution. More like the hijackers that flew planes into the World Trade Center or Timothy McVeigh. You and your extreme friends are every bit what is wrong with the world today, so don't glorify the batshiat crazy ideals that you hold dear.

That said, I have no interest in talking to you. Extremists living near me are trying to kill me every single day and it's my job to see that they don't. You're going straight to the ignore list.

 

[Texan2]

Hmm, there is so much wrong with this post where should I even begin? I'll probably end up on two or three watch lists just for replying to this guy.

First off -- I absolutely refuse to play some stupid kind of word game with you over the term 'moderate'. You know damn well what that means and if you don't then you're in the wrong place.

Extreme is absolutely a bad word and I hate it when self-proclaimed "extreme" thinkers liken themselves to the founding fathers of our country stating that "they were extreme". WEARING SHORTS was extreme in the 1700s. You and your kind are nothing like the framers of the Constitution. More like the hijackers that flew planes into the World Trade Center or Timothy McVeigh. You and your extreme friends are every bit what is wrong with the world today, so don't glorify the batshiat crazy ideals that you hold dear.

That said, I have no interest in talking to you. Extremists living near me are trying to kill me every single day and it's my job to see that they don't. You're going straight to the ignore list.

Thats an "extreme" response.....

 

[Clockwork]

I have no illusions about the fact that I'm engaged in a war against extremism, texascop2.

 

[Texan2]

indeed you are....can I loan you two a thesaurus, so we can find other words beside "extreme"...

I crack myself up!!!

 

[Clockwork]

Palin has some EXTREME legs in that avatar.

I approve of that pic!

 

[Texan2]

yes she does. im not a huge Palin fan (politically), but she is easy on the eyes. The conservative chicks are always way hotter than the libs.

 

[Clockwork]

yes she does. im not a huge Palin fan (politically), but she is easy on the eyes.

I'd hit it.

The conservative chicks are always way hotter than the libs.

Usually... then again, I'd strangle Ann Coulter with a plastic bag.