Biden Bets on Religion To Enact Gun Control

[RstyShcklfrd]

I had made a thread in the past that basically commented on the lack of consistency in people's beliefs. Here is a perfect example. We have a VP who wants to use religion to push gun control, but ignores it on the issue of abortion and similar matters.

Biden Wants Pastors, Rabbis and Nuns to Tell Their Flocks: Enacting More Gun Control Is the Moral Thing to Do | TheBlaze.com

WASHINGTON (TheBlaze/AP) — Vice President Joe Biden has a commandment for pastors, rabbis and nuns: He wants them to tell their flocks that enacting gun control is the moral thing to do. But another vote may have to wait until Congress wraps up work on an immigration overhaul.Biden met for two-and-a-half hours Monday with more than a dozen leaders from various faith communities – Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Sikh, to name a few. Both Biden and the faith leaders encouraged each other not to give up on what has been an arduous and thus far fruitless effort by Biden and President Barack Obama to pass new gun laws in the wake of December’s schoolhouse shooting in Connecticut.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden speaks during a ceremony honoring members of the American Foreign Service Association who died while serving overseas at the U.S. State Department May 3, 2013. Credit: Getty Images​

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Around a large, circular table in a conference room on the White House grounds, Biden waxed optimistic about prospects for passing a bill, according to four participants who spoke to The Associated Press after the meeting. Biden’s chief of staff, Bruce Reed, joined the group, as did a handful of Obama aides who work on faith-based outreach. The meeting closed with a meditation and a prayer for action.
But don’t expect a vote any time soon.
“The conversation presumed the vote would happen first on immigration,” said Rabbi David Saperstein, who directs the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism. “That seemed to be the back-and-forth on both sides — that immigration was a key priority right now. When that vote took place, it would be an opportunity to refocus on this.”
A far-reaching immigration overhaul is in the early stages of advancing through the Senate. Obama said last week he’s optimistic it can be completed this year.
Although momentum on gun control stalled in the Senate last month, Biden has insisted the issue is very much alive, and has been meeting regularly with gun violence victims and law enforcement to build support for a second go at legislation to expand background checks, improve mental health care and take other steps to reduce gun violence.

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Monday’s session reflects an attempt to broaden the coalition calling for new gun laws to include a wide array of religious groups — including evangelicals and conservative faith communities. Without naming names, Biden alluded to senators who opposed background checks – the centerpiece of the Obama administration’s push – who have faced a backlash in the weeks since and could possibly be picked off if the issue comes back for a vote.
Lingering concerns from some participants illustrated the ongoing challenge the administration faces in winning support for the proposals, even though Biden and Obama regularly tout polls suggesting they enjoy broad support. Some participants raised questions about whether background checks could lead to a national gun registry or whether mental health provisions would be used to create a list of individuals permanently banned from obtaining guns.
“There were some very powerful evangelical leaders in the room who needed to be reassured,” said Pastor Michael McBride of the PICO National Network, a faith-based organizing network.

Citing what he described as misinformation from the National Rifle Association and others, Biden said the renewed push for gun control must correct misconceptions about what the proposals do and don’t do, participants said. He asked clergy to keep up the pressure and to reframe the debate for their followers in moral terms.​

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A spokeswoman for Biden declined to comment on the meeting. But Rabbi Julie Schonfeld, executive vice president of the Rabbinical Assembly, said a diverse spectrum of denominations and religious orders were represented. She said they included evangelical leaders Richard Cizik and Franklin Graham, the son of evangelist Billy Graham, as well as Sister Marge Clark of Network, a Catholic group.
In March, TheBlaze reported that Graham, along with Richard Land, had come out in support of universal background checks.

 

[MM120]

*Shakes head*

 

[stdreb27]

As a devout religious person. He's betting on the wrong horse...

 

[dustycorgill]

As a devout religious person. He's betting on the wrong horse...

Second that

 

[Stumpy]

Luke 22:35-38
Nehemiah 4:15-23
Luke 11:21


Sent from the mind of a genius. Forrealz.

 

[alexrex20]

So much for separation of church and state...

 

[bwalker]

Here's a Nun we can send to chat with Joe:

 

[Army 1911]

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.

 

[RstyShcklfrd]

So much for separation of church and state...

And that's the main issue to begin with.

 

[hkusp1]

That's a bad bet on his part.

These guys are running out of steam if this is their game plan.

 

[FlashBang]

Would this be the same religion that his boss complains people cling to???

 

[kusai]

That's a bad bet on his part.

These guys are running out of steam if this is their game plan.

Actually its bad on our part, since these guys are realizing they are loosing, they wont stop at anything. They are cornered and will act up and will resort to all kind of illegal stuff and are not ashamed of it.

 

[Younggun]

They would have to realize it sometime.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

LOL, good luck crazy uncle Joe.

Most Catholics I know think he's already excommunicated himself because of his support for abortions. He has zero credibility when it comes to morality.

 

[guyver0313]

When Hitler was taking over in Europe, that was exactly the game he played. He corrupted the churches. First it started with talking to the leaders to have them "simply tell the truth" about what he was doing. Then, talking about how his actions were a part of the word. Then, they woke up one morning and there were brown shirts in the aisles listening, reporting and detaining any and every person who spoke ill of the great leader. First brown shirt I see isn't going to like meeting me.

 

[M. Sage]

When Hitler was taking over in Europe, that was exactly the game he played. He corrupted the churches. First it started with talking to the leaders to have them "simply tell the truth" about what he was doing. Then, talking about how his actions were a part of the word. Then, they woke up one morning and there were brown shirts in the aisles listening, reporting and detaining any and every person who spoke ill of the great leader. First brown shirt I see isn't going to like meeting me.

Communists did the same in Central American countries.

 

[stdreb27]

The separation of church and state has been used out of context to disenfranchise Christians for the past 50 years...
When the constitution said congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, it was simply saying the government can't dictate who you worship.

It didn't imply that religion couldn't influence government. Crap when they said unalienable rights endowed by their creator. They were saying the judeo-Christian God has made these rights, that this government is going to protect...

 

[M. Sage]

The separation of church and state has been used out of context to disenfranchise Christians for the past 50 years...
When the constitution said congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, it was simply saying the government can't dictate who you worship.

It didn't imply that religion couldn't influence government. Crap when they said unalienable rights endowed by their creator. They were saying the judeo-Christian God has made these rights, that this government is going to protect...

They were being a bit more big-tent than that, I think. If they'd have meant exactly that, they'd have said exactly that...

 

[SIG_Fiend]

This should seriously concern people. I mean, using religious leaders to influence and pacify a nation's people to go along with progessively being disarmed is basically a tactic right out of the book of unconventional and psychological warfare. That's pretty seriously wrong. Just goes to show how blatant these people are now, that they would do this in your face and in the public eye without trying to hide it.

 

[Edwarethered]

I doubt it will work out for them, but trying to convince religious leaders to join their side was the closest thing to a logical next step they could make. I imagine the train of thought was "the people don't trust the government anymore, maybe they still listen to their churches". In my opinion it's a move of desperation, but not out of the realm of things i'd expect out of this administration.