Is there any difference between the blade type, and the ones that strap to your arm?
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Is there any difference between the blade type, and the ones that strap to your arm?
Yes, and no... the Shockwave Blade can be used with a strap, but doesn't come with it, similarly to other blade/"fin" types I have seen. By these ATF criteria, a strap on a blade saves it 2 points.Is there any difference between the blade type, and the ones that strap to your arm?
I hope you don't mind agree with my small EDIT.It must be sad to be so afraid of the LAW ABIDING citizens of this countrt that have guns, that you look for anything to try and control those guns.
I think you could get by with a blade if it has an arm strap or if it is non adjustable for length. But you can't have a blade with no arm strap and adjustable attachment,apparently.It really looks like a blade, or nothing... by these criteria.
I hope you don't mind agree with my small EDIT.
I believe the overall length measurements are made without the brace installed and length of pull is measured with it installed and extended to it's full length. My 10.5 measures just under 26" without the brace and 13" LOP with it. Cutting it pretty close. I will have to remove the MBUS sights and angled hand stop for it to even come close to not being classified as an SBR.A KAK blade fully extended yields a LOP of 12". An AR with a KAK blade, a birdcage FH, and a 10.5" barrel measures 28"... even without the birdcage, it will measure 26.5".
Under these criteria, I don't see how a 10.5" barreled AR pistol, with a brace, can meet the max length restriction.
OK, a 10.5" barreled AR, with a KAK buffer tube and a 1.75" mil-spec birdcage will probably still be .25" too long.I believe the overall length measurements are made without the brace installed and length of pull is measured with it installed and extended to it's full length. My 10.5 measures just under 26" without the brace and 13" LOP with it. Cutting it pretty close. I will have to remove the MBUS sights and angled hand stop for it to even come close to not being SBRed.
You are correct. I just measured my 10.5" again, this time without the brace and it comes in at 26¼". Looks like we're screwed. At least my 7.5" 300 BO should be within the length limitations.OK, a 10.5" barreled AR, with a KAK buffer tube and a 1.75" mil-spec birdcage will probably still be .25" too long.
Maybe the flash hider doesn't count either?
I would think a 10.5", 5.56NATO, AR pistol is the most popular braced pistol...
If this rule is implemented, there may be a run on barrels, as it seems the easiest, and cheapest, way to gain compliance would be to replace all pistol barrels with 16" rifle barrels.
Since a rifle barrel has to be 16" minimum, but doesn't include the flash hider, unless it is pinned and welded, maybe this rule's length doesn't include the FH either... in which case, a 10.5" barrel would be about the max length for an AR pistol.You are correct. I just measured my 10.5" again, this time without the brace and it comes in at 26¼". Looks like we're screwed. At least my 7.5" 300 BO should be within the length limitations.
Can't get past the SBA3 cuffed brace that they claim does not wrap around the arm. 2 points for that.
Incorporates shoulder stock design = 1 point
Material added to increase surface area for shouldering = 3 points
Adjustable telescoping attachment = 2 points
8 points = SBR
To a degree, if 10m+ firearms become SBRs overnight, that kind of counters ATF’s argument that SBRs “considered unusual’.
The second ATF argument is their requirement “to regulate certain weapons likely to be used for criminal purposes”. I’d like to see data on the number of SBRs or AR pistols used for criminal purposes relative to other firearms, such as a pistol. I doubt that claim is likely to be supportable, either.
Also, Table 2, Summary of Affected Populations, Costs, and Benefits only lists 1.4M owners who have purchased pistols with a brace. That’s an unusually low number in my opinion of the size of affected population because it conveniently side-steps those who purchase the accessory or kit and assemble their own.
Finally, it appears ATF suggests most will convert to a rifle, which has a much lower cost impact to the manufacturer and actively ignores admitted costs of at least $433M for owners that want to keep their pistol a pistol, and they’re using FFL surrendered bump stock data to generate impact data for FFLs.
Unfortunately, ATF will get away with this rule because they intend manufacturers are the target audience and forego the whole personal assembly audience. Combined with redefining what a receiver is, it appears their tactic is going to be much like bump stocks: regulate the accessory OEMs out of a profitable business model.
I certainly hope you are right about the flash hider. Otherwise.....that could mean an AR pistol with a 10.5" barrel is already an SBR without a brace or stock. I don't know, it's kinda confusing.Since a rifle barrel has to be 16" minimum, but doesn't include the flash hider, unless it is pinned and welded, maybe this rule's length doesn't include the FH either... in which case, a 10.5" barrel would be about the max length for an AR pistol.
Caetano v mASSachusetts SCOTUS case established 200,000 as the magick threshold for whether arms were in common use or not.
By ATF's own admission the number of braced pistols far exceeds that. By 7x at least.
He doesn't seem to know either, but he comes up with the same questions...I certainly hope you are right about the flash hider. Otherwise.....that could mean an AR pistol with a 10.5" barrel is already an SBR without a brace or stock. I don't know, it's kinda confusing.
I think you’re spot-on.…I'm beginning to think the ATF may have to deal with a pile of unintended consequences.