Freaking Out about Bill of Sale

[Rug357]

I noticed forum members freaking out about requiring a Texas Bill of Sale when listing a gun for sale. I understand it's nice to not have any paperwork on a private sale, but if the gun is registered in your name how do you protect yourself in the event something happens? Just curious.

 

[candcallen]

Search Bill of sale. This thread will get locked or merged into one of those as it's an often discussed topic but I'll ad the following......

First, sorry your ad got muddled up by the BOS stuff.

Second, guns aren't registered to you in Texas. They are nothing more than property like any other inanimate object not licensed or registered by the gooberment.
You were asked where you came from cause some states actually require some sort of registration or actual records of guns you own. Texas does not. The United States does not register guns to a person. It's actually illegal federally to do so.

Third, people don't want their personal information stored by someone else. Names addresses DL and Licenses to carry in have all been used to steal identity and commit fraud during other firearms purchases on sites like Texas gun trader often if not daily.

Fourth if someone does something with a gun you sold what exactly do you think will happen to you? Absolutely nothing. If a trace is done the ATF will call the manufacturer who tells them what distributors they sold it to which tells them what dealer which tells them the purchaseer. When contacted you would say I sold that gun on or about this date which is where it ends.

Beyond that I, again, suggest you search bill of sale on the site and read that info. It will tell you the possible negative stuff that can happen with a bill of sale. Like proving you sold to a prohibited possessor, if you did so or them getting your personal info etc. Also the ATF has used bills of sale as evidence of people dealing firearms without a license.

On the other end they can be used to prove you bought a stolen gun if that was the case. While TX is a free state there are jurisdictions that are not and prosecutors who hate guns and gun owners. The pros and cons of a bill of sale for an item not registered to you are all laid out in those discussions.

It's your gun and sale and you set the terms. Bills of sale, ffl transfers, recording ones personal info are all terms that will severely limit your pool of buyers.

 

[Southpaw]

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[FNORD]

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Wut he said.

 

[SURVIVOR619]

@candcallen FTW!

 

[toddnjoyce]

What is this firearm registry you speak of?

 

[Kar98]

if the gun is registered in your name

Here's the neat part: it isn't. There's no such thing as a gun registry in Texas. Or federally.

 

[toddnjoyce]

/thread

Kind of reminds me of the David Allan Coe song, “You Never Even Call Me By My Name.” You know, the run-up to the last verse where he talks about Steve Goodman writing the perfect country and western song.

Post 2 was almost the perfect post, except it didn’t talk about how a BOS can he used against you to establish dealing in firearms without a license, which has landed more than a few folks in prison.

Now, it’s /thread.

 

[Texasgordo]

BOS is retarded. Sites like Texas Gun Trader who push that kind of stupid shit should be called out for it too. I've seen tards who required a BOS for a AR upper and one douche who required one for ammo.

 

[FNORD]

Kind of reminds me of the David Allan Coe song, “You Never Even Call Me By My Name.” You know, the run-up to the last verse where he talks about Steve Goodman writing the perfect country and western song.

Post 2 was almost the perfect post, except it didn’t talk about how a BOS can he used against you to establish dealing in firearms without a license, which has landed more than a few folks in prison.

Now, it’s /thread.

Re. Post 2, actually he did so indicate. Otherwise your post was perfect.

 

[Hoji]

@candcallen nailed it in one.

 

[Fishkiller]

@candcallen nailed it in one.

Ditto

 

[striker55]

I wish I had known about a bos when I sold a handgun in a parking lot to a guy I didn't know. He had a valid CHL, years ago before LTC, anyway I still have the piece of paper that his info is on. Not throwing it away, you never know.

 

[Eli]

I noticed forum members freaking out about requiring a Texas Bill of Sale when listing a gun for sale. I understand it's nice to not have any paperwork on a private sale, but if the gun is registered in your name how do you protect yourself in the event something happens? Just curious.

Bill of Sale bullshit is from foreigners moving to Texas and watching too much TeeVee. You're not going to prison for selling a gun that was used in a crime any more than you would for selling a car that was using in a DWI.

Post 2 was almost the perfect post, except it didn’t talk about how a BOS can he used against you to establish dealing in firearms without a license, which has landed more than a few folks in prison.

Now, it’s /thread.

This! In fact, dealing in firearms without a license - or 'straw purchases' - will get you in legal trouble a lot quicker than selling a gun. I used to work for a guy that had some financial issues and sold some guns that were later found in possession of a cartel in Mexico, he was convicted of lying to the FBI - not unlicensed dealing. The correct answer is always, "I believe I sold that gun, but do not recall any details about the buyer."

Eli

 

[Brains]

We need a BOS sticky or something.

 

[no2gates]

OP, There's a neat function TGT has in the upper right corner:

 

[Dawico]

My biggest concern with a BOS is not that one for one purchase. My concern is the push and habit of a BOS.

It pushes an agenda. If we accept them as common place it becomes easier to pass a law requiring them. That starts down the slippery slope of FOIDs and then registration.

Not one fucking inch. Not one.

You sleep better knowing you are helping the grabbers? Great. Have at it.


As a side note, if you sell here (or any other site) there will be messages back and forth (or calls). Are we really pretending there is no way to track a sale?

The nails on the chalkboard for me is posting publicly saying "sold to xxx" or even "great meeting up with you". Keep a private sale just that, private.

 

[benenglish]

/thread? Y'all think so?

Well, so do I.

 

[Rug357]

Just wanted to post a reply to my BoS thread here since the original was locked. Thanks for the detailed reply. Now I feel bad about filling out one of those things on my last purchase. The guns I listed were purchased in Texas so I guess I have nothing to be concerned about.

 

[Coiled]

Did you give personal information to a stranger? If so, there's plenty to be concerned about.