Gubernatorial Debate
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so debate aside, what about the latest attack ad I started to hear this weekend about Abbot, implying he caved to a indirect "1/4 MM" donation and dropped a hospital libel suit? apologies up front if I don't make any sense. I heard this ad several times this weekend.
Seen it. Haven't looked in to it much.
I believe it is probably just some twisted "facts", but still tend to try and find out what the root is.
I just watched the debate on YouTube. Found Davis to sound extremely rehearsed, kinda like the voice on an old training video.
Those that think she won are pretty much irrelevant because they would vote for her regardless of the outcome.
The debates are for the voters who haven't decided for some reason. Those who pay little attention until the last minute. They exist on both sides and they are the ones that candidates are after.
Obama didn't win because he lied on debates, he won because he promised money and conservatives didn't line up behind (wow, just had his name and it's gone) what's his name.
I wouldn't say Davis got hammered if I look from the view of someone who doesn't pay attention, but she didn't come across as likable, comfortable, or fully human. She didn't win any new votes.
I believe it is probably just some twisted "facts", but still tend to try and find out what the root is.
I just watched the debate on YouTube. Found Davis to sound extremely rehearsed, kinda like the voice on an old training video.
Those that think she won are pretty much irrelevant because they would vote for her regardless of the outcome.
The debates are for the voters who haven't decided for some reason. Those who pay little attention until the last minute. They exist on both sides and they are the ones that candidates are after.
Obama didn't win because he lied on debates, he won because he promised money and conservatives didn't line up behind (wow, just had his name and it's gone) what's his name.
I wouldn't say Davis got hammered if I look from the view of someone who doesn't pay attention, but she didn't come across as likable, comfortable, or fully human. She didn't win any new votes.
I'm going to be really cold for a second. I like Abbott so don't beat up on me, I'm talking about the reality of elections and popularity contests in general.
Abbott being in a wheelchair will already have a perception of being weak. That's just how it is. I think he compensates for it just fine but it's an automatic negative for him in the campaign. For Davis, it is an advantage.
Unless she beats up on him. Even without the tone-deaf "Stand with Wendy" campaign message, if she comes across bullying she will look bad because she's attacking someone in a wheelchair. The wheelchair is a mark in HER favor, not his. Coming across overly aggressive makes her look bad. Going negative early and aggressively is BAD for her. In general, negative campaign ads work unless you go overboard. David Dewhurst didn't learn his lesson and pulled that trick twice. How did his campaigns work out again?
Davis is fighting an uphill battle and while I agree with Ole Cowboy's assessment of the debates, it is also correct that she didn't win any new votes with this. She needed to win over undecideds but she keeps doubling down on preaching to her base.
I'm not complaining, Texas is worse off for her. However, she is not running a smart campaign. The race is an uphill battle for her but winnable. She's not gaining traction in the polls because she's not playing it smart. My wife is not a hardcore conservative at all and is very squishy on a lot of issues. She thinks the Davis attack ads are over-the-top and make Davis look bad. Not Abbott. I'm more right leaning but I agree on an objective level. They are extremely cynical with their "facts" and I think the level of cynicism around Davis' entire campaign is pretty bald-faced.
Abbott being in a wheelchair will already have a perception of being weak. That's just how it is. I think he compensates for it just fine but it's an automatic negative for him in the campaign. For Davis, it is an advantage.
Unless she beats up on him. Even without the tone-deaf "Stand with Wendy" campaign message, if she comes across bullying she will look bad because she's attacking someone in a wheelchair. The wheelchair is a mark in HER favor, not his. Coming across overly aggressive makes her look bad. Going negative early and aggressively is BAD for her. In general, negative campaign ads work unless you go overboard. David Dewhurst didn't learn his lesson and pulled that trick twice. How did his campaigns work out again?
Davis is fighting an uphill battle and while I agree with Ole Cowboy's assessment of the debates, it is also correct that she didn't win any new votes with this. She needed to win over undecideds but she keeps doubling down on preaching to her base.
I'm not complaining, Texas is worse off for her. However, she is not running a smart campaign. The race is an uphill battle for her but winnable. She's not gaining traction in the polls because she's not playing it smart. My wife is not a hardcore conservative at all and is very squishy on a lot of issues. She thinks the Davis attack ads are over-the-top and make Davis look bad. Not Abbott. I'm more right leaning but I agree on an objective level. They are extremely cynical with their "facts" and I think the level of cynicism around Davis' entire campaign is pretty bald-faced.
Agreed, the woman repulses me too much as well to even contemplate it.
Unless he was talking about 'hitting it' with a 2x4!
Mexican_Hippie
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Didn't even watch. For me it's between Kathy Glass and Abbott. Abbott's probably gonna get my vote. He's close enough on the issues and he can actually get stuff done.
Wendy Davis is a frickin joke.
Wendy Davis is a frickin joke.
Ole Cowboy
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Davis MIGHT be running for a position in the Federal Govt, note, Julian Castro went from Mayor of SA to a Cabinet position. (I see him as a STRONG VP contender on either a Hillary or Eliz Warren ticket). If either of those 2 gals gets in, the the wave of high level appointees will be mostly women and she is appealing to Warren and Clinton in her talk and thinking...
Well, hell. I consider myself fairly savvy in the way of politics and hadn't even thought of that. You're right. Even if she doesn't win she'll probably still get a "promotion" in a political sense. She'd be joining a sinking ship, but that's not my problem.
You could say being a woman is just as much as a negative to some voters as well? Including woman voters.
Not as much as it used to be. For Dems it is a plus. Anything that is considered a minority.
I'm going to offend some of my friends but Dems seem less interested in merit and results and seem to be all about attributes. Dallas County elected Lupe Valdez because she was a Hispanic Female Lesbian. Her credentials were hardly ever brought up in the campaign by her supporters. They were so excited by WHAT she was they never thought about WHO she was.
Really pissed me off because Margo Frasier was Sheriff in Travis County when I was there and while she wasn't Hispanic she was female and openly lesbian. Damn good Sheriff and never made a fuss about WHAT she was. She wanted to be a good Sheriff and replaced a real scuzzbucket.
Despite all the cries of racism I really haven't met that many Republicans who care about gender or race. Of course, just try running for office as a Mormon...
Ole Cowboy
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Dems check off boxes to see if you are qualified or not:
Color of skin: +++ points for any federal minority group. White is a minus
Religion: Islam and Atheist is big +++ Christian minus
Education: +++ for Harvard and other Ivy leagues. 0 points for state school and minus for religious or military schools
SEX: GBLT +++++ Straight male, do not bother to apply
Experience: Social worker, community organizer, soft skills ++++ Hard degrees: Engineering, Business etc 0 points. Military do not apply
