If you have a CHL, Elite Guns does not support your rights, do as you please though

[bones_708]

Nice way to project. I know you have apparently been a long time member, so I guess that makes you correct and me just a troll. If you had bothered to read, you will see that the reason I am just now posting here, was because I just found these forums, when I did a Google search looking for AK's in Austin. One of those search hits was this forum, talking about this gun store.

I understand the things a dealer has to deal with, but they make a choice to deal with them, when they start a business. I do not have a bone to pick with the store and as I pointed out in my first post, I was not down talking their inventory, prices or anything else, just simply they insist on not allowing me, a paying customer to exercise my right to bypass the NICS check. I do not hold a grudge and said nothing negative about them in general, just that I simply do not agree with their policy and will exercise my right to shop with businesses that do honor my rights. I guess it is a personal decision we each have to make, how many rights are we willing to give up, I guess I am just a cranky old bass turd.

You have gone farther than just disagreeing with a policy. You claimed that because someone called you in for a NICS that it somehow means they don't respect the 2nd. Oh and by the way they might be from NY state. You got so worked up by it that you join a forum just to trash them and made no other posts about any other subject. By the way it's not a right to by pass the NICS. It's a privilege granted to CHL holders. So it's not your rights your pissy about but your privileges.

Mind you it's stupid and I would most likely walk away if I was told that but the drama is a bit weak.

 

[Glockster69]

The other thing to note that makes me really wonder about them. Of all the gun stores I have visited in Texas (LOTS) not only are they the only ones that insist on a NICS with a CHL, but they are from upstate NY I believe? Anyway, they came from a place that is very Anti-Second Amendment, because business here is much better, but apparently want to bring their restrictive habits with them.

So much going on in there I don't know where to bold, highlight, ITALICS, underline, et. al.

craymer: got backup?

I'm not a "Yankee" fan but I don't believe in blasting people ... just because.

 

[SPACETRUCKER]

once I get to the point that I am gonna support a business financially... I wont and don't quibble about the extra few minutes the business sales associates spend to be sure they don't make the 10'o clock news because they sold a bad ole gun to someone with an "axe to grind".
I used to be a business owner and the government made it easier for me to work for some one else. So before you decide to support a business make all those decisions that the average person should make then you will have no remorse afterward. If your rights are violated, not your privileges ignored, then call the proper authorities. Just my .02 cents

 

[txinvestigator]

I have held out piping in to afford reflection on this topic. I still think it is bad form to join a message board just to slam a business over some perceived wrong.

I don't see the big deal with them doing the check.

I wonder if the OP is making such a big deal over his brother using his identifying information, which is the root cause here.

 

[breakingcontact]

I don't see the big deal with them doing the check.

What other store policies that go beyond what the law demands would you be OK with? Store imposed waiting period? Keeping records of ammunition sales including photo ID?

Sure, stores can ask their customers to go through extra hoops or impose more stringent checks than the law requires.

I guess the owners have decided whatever customers they lose are made up for by the "reduced risk" of conducting these extra and not required policies. Perhaps they are bringing some of that NY defensive business mentality to Texas.

 

[Shotgun Jeremy]

DL is not required to buy a gun if you have a CHL. Your DL number is on your TX CHL. I had a gun shop point that out to me.

 

[ROGER4314]

I was going to buy a shotgun at a pawn shop and the guy refused to accept my CHL because the ZIP CODE didn't agree with my DL zip! The Zip was changed, a while back and my DL was due for renewal, shortly, so I let it ride. The CHL had my current zip.

The name, address, and everything else was identical but he still refused to accept my ID! I pointed out that he sold me firearms in the past, he checked his records and found that to be correct. Still....no go! I told him to keep the F'ing shotgun and hit the door!

Flash

 

[Mic]

I'm not a fan of the calling in the NICs check for this. I am a fan of the store, however. Yes, they are from upstate NY (For those of you who don't know, the upstate thing means they are far less likely to mirror the image we have of New York socialists. The city controls the politics of the state and that's why it's so fucked up).

The owner and workers of the store definitely seemed like good people when we stopped by after our lunch before a couple times. Way too many AKs for my taste and some ugly as bling guns (but if it gets a few newbs to shoot guns and want to defend the 2nd Amenment that might not otherwise, who gives a shit?). They escaped from the hell that is New York and seemed to be embracing Texas for what Texas is, not trying to turn it into NY.

I'm thinking if enough of us swung by and talked to the owners about the CHL thing, they might reconsider.

OP, welcome to the forum.

 

[breakingcontact]

I emailed the owner. He affirmed that what the OP experienced is indeed their policy.

That got me to thinking about what regular policy/procedures are for most shops.

I think ive had stores make a copy of my DL/CHL. Not sure if I care for that either.

I am trying to consider the point of view of the business owner as well. I understand they feel a need to defend themselves (not just stay legal).

Mic, too many AKs? How dare you.

 

[TwinGlocks]

Weird, I once had a dealer tell me that the ATF yelled at him for calling in a CHL holder. The customer initially handed him just a DL and after the customer filled out the form he called it in and in the middle of the call, the customer handed him his CHL or something like that.

 

[tmperez]

but they are from upstate NY I believe? Anyway, they came from a place that is very Anti-Second Amendment, because business here is much better, but apparently want to bring their restrictive habits with them.

What does coming from NY have anything to do with this. Do you really think a gun shop from NY that took the time and trouble to move to Texas is less pro-gun than anyone else. Im from NY and moved to Texas does that make me pro gun restriction? I think you are just picking on these guys on every level just because. I dont really have a issue with you beefing about their policy but to imply they are trying to restrict guns because they are from NY is just ridiculous and makes no sense. Despite popular belief there are pro gun guys in NY, especially upstate.

 

[craymer]

Never happened to me.

Telling the truth is negative? So, all bad reviews should be considered negative and ignored?

 

[breakingcontact]

Telling the truth is negative? So, all bad reviews should be considered negative and ignored?

I think ive been misquoted.

 

[Younggun]

I'm not sure what it means. The reply doesn't seem to fit the post.

 

[Younggun]

I wouldn't buy from them. I believe NICS is a violation in itself. But I deal with it for now when I have to.

I believe the CHL requirement is a violation, but for now I deal with it...

I'm not gonna get a NICS check because I have a CHL and I don't have to. I'll just explain to them I won't be buying the gun if they require more than what is necessary. I won't be rude or throw a fit. I'll just tell then why I'm canceling my purchase and leave.

It up to them to decide if its worth the lass in business, and up to individual customers to decide if it's something they are willing to tolerate.

 

[craymer]

Well, to those that feel like I am just being a big meanie, I apologize for violating any sensitive feelings. This company may be great and I wish them the best of luck, however, the only thing I have to go by is MY one and only experience with them.

I hereby withdraw any further criticism of this store and wish them well in their endeavors. I am glad to have more folks that are Pro Gun, move to Texas and do not wish them bad, simply because I disagree with their policy. It is in all of our interests that as many businesses like them, succeed.

craymer

 

[karlac]

I wouldn't buy from them.....I'm not gonna get a NICS check because I have a CHL and I don't have to. I'll just explain to them I won't be buying the gun if they require more than what is necessary. I won't be rude or throw a fit. I'll just tell then why I'm canceling my purchase and leave.

It up to them to decide if its worth the lass in business, and up to individual customers to decide if it's something they are willing to tolerate.

This. Could not agree more. They make their business decisions, I'll make mine as a customer.

 

[craymer]

Well, with all that said, having this temporary snafu, turned out to be better for me in the long run. I was at this store and was about to purchase a WASR 10, probably one of the less desired AK's. After this incident, I start looking online and ended up get a Romanian M10 AK47, 6 mags, 700 rounds of 7.62, in a steel ammo can, for $750. The rifle is like new and felt this was a much better deal in the long run. Not to mention a FTF transaction is much easier!

 

[karlac]

Well, to those that feel like I am just being a big meanie, I apologize for violating any sensitive feelings.

Tough crowd here, but looks like you'll do fine. From another relative FNG, welcome to TGT.

 

[breakingcontact]

Tough crowd here, but looks like you'll do fine. From another relative FNG, welcome to TGT.

Ha. Indeed. Everyone takes their lumps!