ISHOT1000 - 1000 Round Pistol Match April 26, 2008

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  1. Double Naught Spy

    Double Naught Spy Active Member

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    In response to posts on the High Road on Littlemac's Glock vs. 1911 1000 round match that pertained to how the match could be run better if opened up to other platforms (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=310567), I am doing just that. The match is a bit different than Littlemac's (see http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthre...000+glock+1911), but has the goal of running guns for 1000 rounds in one day to see which guns perform well when shot by normal shooters with whatever sort of ammo they choose to shoot.

    The match is being called ISHOT1000 (Individual Semiauto Handgun Operations Testing of 1000 rounds).

    With the help of Littlemac and JohnKSa, I will host a 1000 round match at my place for up to 20 shooters. It will be Saturday, April 26, 2008. My place is located in Montague County, Texas, about 90 minutes north of DFW airport.

    Purpose?
    1. To see which makes/models run better over long runs of ammo.
    2. A Good time and maybe some bragging rights.

    This is a spinoff match from the fun Glock vs. 1911 1000 round grudge matches that were all about bragging rights to which platform was best. This match is expanded to include any legal semi-auto pistol. It will be interesting to see how various makes, models, and calibers perform. We'll post the results.

    The preliminary course of fire will be this...
    20 stages of 50 rounds per stage
    All 50 rounds are to be shot within a set time, say 90 seconds (TBD)
    Stage times are the total time allowed for the stage, including malfunctions.

    Every malfunction will be recorded for the full duration or until shooter quits, gun breaks, or the gun reaches 10 malfunctions in a given stage or 50 malfunctions total. In the interest of time as it is only a 1 day match

    No gun will be allowed to be serviced once the first shot is fired. So no cleaning, lubing, wiping, tightening, repairing, or otherwise adjusting, etc.

    Malfunctions will be noted as to when they occurred in the stage and described based on descriptive and NOT diagnostic parameters. For example, a hammer drop on a live round that does not detonate will be a FAIL TO FIRE and not be called a hard primer, light primer strike, or bad primer since a determination of the of these specific causes would require a detailed examination of all the components involved before the issue could be resolved. Similarly, a FAIL TO FEED issue won't be attributed to bad ammo, weak mag spring, or a weak recoil spring. And so on.

    The malfunction will be cleared by the shooter while being documented by a recordkeeper and the shooter will then continue the stage.

    Non-function-related problems will also be noted. For example, if someone has a grip work loose, sight insert fall out, but the gun can still be shot safely, we will note the problem and allow the gun to continue in the match.

    Requirements:
    1. Shooters much have state concealed carry permit or LEO certs. That is just the screening process since few of us will actually know each other before the match.
    2. 7 magazines or more for their gun and the mags must hold at least 7 rounds. Each stage will be shot starting with one in the chamber and then the 7 mags so that shooters all have a comparable number of magazine changes.
    3. 1000 rounds of ammo
    4. Semi auto pistol for the match
    5. Typical eye and ear protection

    Strongly suggested aspects:
    1. Stock pistols, ESPECIALLY PISTOLS THAT NEVER MALFUNCTION
    2. Factory ammo
    3. 8 magazines instead of 7

    Targets will be steel targets. There will be approximately 4 different setups shot 5 times each. Distances will be varied and some longer range shooting (50 yards or so) will take place. Targets will include both stationary and moving targets.

    Those who are interested may PM me for more information. Please include your email address.

    You are welcome to shoot any semi-auto platform in whatever caliber you want to shoot. There is no entry fee.
     


  2. Texas1911

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    I know longevity seems to be the Glock's main owner focus, but I think you should include accuracy as well. Doesn't do much good if the gun shoots, but doesn't place the bullet where it was aimed.

    Oh, and welcome to the forum :) The match sounds like a blast!

    I'd take my HK USP, but I don't have enough ammo or magazines.
     
  3. chevydeerhunter

    chevydeerhunter Well-Known

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    Sounts like a lot of fun. There's a reason the 1911's been in production for so long. Unfortunately, I'll be a slave to the grind on that weekend. Post the results when all is said and done.

    Welcome aboard!
     
  4. HighVelocity

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    I am seriously considering this after our pm exchanges on Glock Talk. If I can get away from work, that is.

    If I can, I'll probably shoot my wifes 9mm Springfield 1911 since the ammo costs would be less than my 45.


    Gary
     
  5. Double Naught Spy

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    Well gosh, what can I say? Do you see a lot of semi autos that are so inaccurate that the shooter can't hit targets with them? I don't. I have yet to see a modern quality semi auto made in the last 25 years that would not be accurate enough. Typically, the non-target guns are the defensive guns and plinking guns and both types tend to be more accurate than most shooters are capable, certainly within the allotted time frame for the round counts. The target guns will be way more than accurate enough, too. So what inaccurate guns should be of concern to me?

    You mentioned your HK USP. Are they not very accurate guns? I thought they were more than adequate. There are a lot of shooters that don't have the marksmanship skills to get the full potential out of their guns, but that is a problem with the shooters (marksmanship), not the guns.

    This is a gun reliability match, as plain and simple as it can be with still using humans to fire the guns.

    I would be all for a 1 day, 1000 round, fast paced bullseye match for a dozen or more shooters that would test accuracy (not marksmanship) and reliability, but have yet to see a realistic plan for implementing such a match.

    If you have some realistically feasible insights, I would love to hear them.
     
  6. Littlemac

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    accuracy?

    I have held four of these matches and attended two others and the only accuracy issues that I am aware of is when the sight actually falls off or work loose.

    that however is part of the match to see how well a particular pistol holds up to beng pushed hard.

    :D
     
  7. Double Naught Spy

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    The roster has been filled. Thank you!
     
  8. Double Naught Spy

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    For the participants, information on exact time, location (directions), rules, etc. have been emailed. If you had contacted me previosly about being a participant and did not receive the mailing, please PM or email me.

    I look forward to seeing you on the 26th!!!
     
  9. htxred

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    didnt todd jarrett do this recently for para ordnance? took a out the box para ordnance SSP 1911 and ran 1000 rnds through it as fast as he could, did it in less then 16 minutes i think, i think it was a little over 10 minutes, used CMC 10rnd mags and had a team of people load em for him as he fired em off. gun got so hot, it was very difficult for him to finish.

    youtube clips here. http://youtube.com/user/DownRangeTV
     
  10. Double Naught Spy

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    Nope. Jarrett shot just one platform. That is all.

    A crew served 1911? LOL!
     

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