cycleguy2300
TGT Addict
We have provided you facts and you respond that you don't thing they should be facts. When one party in a discussion won't accept facts there is no point continuing the discussion with them because they have set themselves up in their mind as the final arbiter of truth and will make excuses and ignore what they want to reach their desired conclusion.So the cop on the street gets to do whatever they want until a court says otherwise? Got it. You are the law.
Even the military doesn't have to follow unlawful orders.
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For the rest who may still be interested:
When a court says something is lawful, it is lawful until a court says it isn't. The courts have decided what I and others have described doing for safety is "reasonable" which is the standard set in the 4th amendment.
For anyone still feeling like "well its my right, the cop can ask but I won't comply" think about a knife. They are arms/weapons just as much as a firearm. Could it be reasonable for a officer working I'm close proximity to someone to ask them to leave their Kabar back inside on a vehicle burglary or to temporarily take that tactical folder from a meth head's pocket while they conduct a search of their vehicle? What I can do for knives with legal reason to be there, I can do with pistols or rifles.
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