I have been thinking pretty hard on this one too... is there really any reason to want to shoot non-suppressed subs, other then being able to say, "it will do it"? When do you guys shoot this way?I have no issue hitting a man size target at 300 yard with either my 9" AAC or my 8" Noveske. Plenty accurate for my needs.Main advantage of the AAC is that it will cycle subsonic without a suppressor.
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11.2gr of 1680 cycles an 8.2" noveske without a can everytime with 208 amaxs.I have no issue hitting a man size target at 300 yard with either my 9" AAC or my 8" Noveske. Plenty accurate for my needs.Main advantage of the AAC is that it will cycle subsonic without a suppressor.
Main advantage is ease of subsonic load development since you dont want to work up subsonic loads with a can on in case the bullet is tumbling. Thats the only time I shoot my blackout unsuppressed, its just too much fun with the can on. I have a 9" AAC barrel but used a 16" noveske til my stamp came in. Either will serve you well, I wouldve went 8.2" noveske had they been available when it came time to buy a short barrel. Figures about 2 weeks after I bought the AAC the flood gates opened and 8.2 Noveskes were everywhere for the first time in a year and a half.I have been thinking pretty hard on this one too... is there really any reason to want to shoot non-suppressed subs, other then being able to say, "it will do it"? When do you guys shoot this way?
I ask, because I had pretty much settled on ~8" shooting supers non-suppressed, and subs suppressed, in order to keep overall length to about the same with my can attached (and just accept that it will/may not cycle subs non-suppressed).
Is it just a matter of function in any form for the ammo you may have on hand?
I have been thinking pretty hard on this one too... is there really any reason to want to shoot non-suppressed subs, other then being able to say, "it will do it"? When do you guys shoot this way?
I ask, because I had pretty much settled on ~8" shooting supers non-suppressed, and subs suppressed, in order to keep overall length to about the same with my can attached (and just accept that it will/may not cycle subs non-suppressed).
Is it just a matter of function in any form for the ammo you may have on hand?
Why would you hunt with subsonics if you dont have a can? Subs without a can are still pretty dang loud.I won't have a can for mine for a good while and I will still be leading subs because it uses way less powder. Another reason is, if you cast, you can deep hollow point the lee 230 and make a devastating round. At least that is the experience of one guy on 300blktalk. He took a whitetail with it and says he's never had a blood trail so goodand the pictures seem to support that. A blind man could follow this trail.
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All four blackouts I've loaded for will shoot sub one inch groups regularly at 100yds. Both of my blackouts will put 5 on a 4" plate at 300yds with boring regularity. A bullet transitioning into supersonic flight happens in the barrel, it in no way makes it more accurate to stay subsonic. Accuracy is actually less with subsonics, the bullet isnt as stable and is much more sensitive to atmospheric conditions, especially the less than aerodynamic cast bullets.
I have been thinking pretty hard on this one too... is there really any reason to want to shoot non-suppressed subs, other then being able to say, "it will do it"? When do you guys shoot this way?
I ask, because I had pretty much settled on ~8" shooting supers non-suppressed, and subs suppressed, in order to keep overall length to about the same with my can attached (and just accept that it will/may not cycle subs non-suppressed).
Is it just a matter of function in any form for the ammo you may have on hand?
Okay, thanks for the info- This is what I suspected for myself as well.I have never shot mine subsonic without a can since the paperwork on the can came in. Really no reason to do so except for load development. I was just throwing that out there for general knowledge.