Red Light Camera - Wife got a ticket!

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DoubleActionCHL

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So, my wife gets a ticket from Humble "Redlight Camera Enforcement Department" for $75. Obviously, she ran a redlight. Now, I have some basic problems with this. Number one, it's just creepy and flies in the face of all that is American; we are NOT supposed to be watched 24/7.

Secondly, it completely deprives the citizen of his constitutional right to confront his accuser.

Third, there is usually NO possible way to prove who was driving the vehicle on that particular day, at that particular time.

And fourth, the language is insane: If you do not pay them by the due day, they consider it an admission of guilt and acceptance of liability. If you pay the $75, the consider THAT an admission of guilt and acceptance of liability! HUH? Don't the rules that apply to other debt collection apply to cities? If Citibank arbitrarily sends me a bill and writes "failure to response constitutes acceptance of liability for the aforementioned debt," it holds no water! Courts have ruled on this dozens of times!

As I understand it, this is a civil debt, rather than an actual fine. What are the ramifications of refusing to pay it? How do we get out of it? The thought of playing the game and participating in a 'hearing' for something so absurd really gets under my skin, but I'm willing to do what it takes to keep from paying this stupid ticket.

Anyone have any REAL suggestions?
 

kingofwylietx

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I hate to tell you, but this has already been tested by the lawyers. It was ruled lawful and constitutional last year. They even changed the hearing process after a lawsuit that argued the civil fines conflicted with state law.

Good luck!
 

mac79912

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My buddy Pete just got one.The photos showed that the stoplights were on but when he went to court they had video showing he did not make a complete stop.I think he learned his lesson because he now makes complete stops at every light.+1 on others using cell phones and driving.The phones are a distraction and I have almost been in serious accidents many times by people holding a cell phone and driving with one hand.Waaaaaah.
 

DoubleActionCHL

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Stop whining. Pay up. Stop running red lights, and endangering my life by running red lights and using a cell phone while you're driving.
You call that a REAL suggestion? First off, it wasn't me, it was my WIFE! READ! Secondly, my issue is NOT whether or not she's guilty or even if she should pay a fine. It's HOW she was caught. I have an issue with redlight cameras. They infringe on our civil rights.

I'll keep an eye out and next time you complain about our 2nd amendment rights being infringed, I'll just remind you to STOP WHINING!

By the way, CONGRATULATIONS on your FIRST post! I can see having you around is going to be a hoot!
 

DoubleActionCHL

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My buddy Pete just got one.The photos showed that the stoplights were on but when he went to court they had video showing he did not make a complete stop.I think he learned his lesson because he now makes complete stops at every light.+1 on others using cell phones and driving.The phones are a distraction and I have almost been in serious accidents many times by people holding a cell phone and driving with one hand.Waaaaaah.
My wife's shows her car nearly completely through the intersection, and yes, the light is clearly red. There's no way of knowing WHEN the light turned red.

Anyway, I have no doubt that she ran the light. My problem is with the cameras. How do you argue with a machine? The process assumes you're guilty with no recourse.
 

Enron Exec

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I have one of these red light tickets from April and refuse to pay it as well. I was not on a cell phone, but i consciously decided to run a yellow light, thinking i would have enough time to safely make it across the intersection. The light turned red just as I entered the crosswalk, i think different intersections have different timings on the yellow lights, and i was caught on camera. The fine now has been raised to $100 and i understand they could maybe keep me from registering my car.

I know for a fact nothing could have possible have come close to hitting me as i ran that red light. There is a pause between the time my light turned red and the other turned green. I am almost certain that my car was completely across the intersection when the other light turned green.
 

Texian

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You call that a REAL suggestion? First off, it wasn't me, it was my WIFE! READ! Secondly, my issue is NOT whether or not she's guilty or even if she should pay a fine. It's HOW she was caught. I have an issue with redlight cameras. They infringe on our civil rights.

I'll keep an eye out and next time you complain about our 2nd amendment rights being infringed, I'll just remind you to STOP WHINING!

By the way, CONGRATULATIONS on your FIRST post! I can see having you around is going to be a hoot!
I just found out about this site yesterday on the 1911 Forum. I got here AS FAST as I could.

I AM concerned about my 2nd Amendment rights. That's why I AGREE WITH YOU about the need to vote for John McCain.
 
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