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    Here's the report: http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2013/Priorities-for-Research-to-Reduce-the-Threat-of-Firearm-Related-Violence.aspx

    http://www.slate.com/bullpen/handgu...s_deaths_and_self_defense_finding.single.html

    1. The United States has an indisputable gun violence problem. According to the report, “the U.S. rate of firearm-related homicide is higher than that of any other industrialized country: 19.5 times higher than the rates in other high-income countries.”

    2. Most indices of crime and gun violence are getting better, not worse. “Overall crime rates have declined in the past decade, and violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past 5 years,” the report notes. “Between 2005 and 2010, the percentage of firearm-related violent victimizations remained generally stable.” Meanwhile, “firearm-related death rates for youth ages 15 to 19 declined from 1994 to 2009.” Accidents are down, too: “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

    3. We have 300 million firearms, but only 100 million are handguns. According to the report, “In 2007, one estimate placed the total number of firearms in the country at 294 million: ‘106 million handguns, 105 million rifles, and 83 million shotguns.’” This translates to nearly nine guns for every 10 people, a per capita ownership rate nearly 50 percent higher than the next most armed country. But American gun ownership is concentrated, not universal: In a December 2012 Gallup poll, “43 percent of those surveyed reported having a gun in the home.”

    4. Handguns are the problem. Despite being outnumbered by long guns, “Handguns are used in more than 87 percent of violent crimes,” the report notes. In 2011, “handguns comprised 72.5 percent of the firearms used in murder and non-negligent manslaughter incidents.” Why do criminals prefer handguns? One reason, according to surveys of felons, is that they’re “easily concealable.”

    5. Mass shootings aren’t the problem. “The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths,” says the report. “Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” Compare that with the 335,000 gun deaths between 2000 and 2010 alone.

    6. Gun suicide is a bigger killer than gun homicide. From 2000 to 2010, “firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearm-related violence in the United States,” says the report. Firearm sales are often a warning: Two studies found that “a small but significant fraction of gun suicides are committed within days to weeks after the purchase of a handgun, and both also indicate that gun purchasers have an elevated risk of suicide for many years after the purchase of the gun.”

    7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. “Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year … in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008,” says the report. The three million figure is probably high, “based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys.” But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, “because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.” Furthermore, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual

    defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

    8. Carrying guns for self-defense is an arms race. The prevalence of firearm violence near “drug markets … could be a consequence of drug dealers carrying guns for self-defense against thieves or other adversaries who are likely to be armed,” says the report. In these communities, “individuals not involved in the drug markets have similar incentives for possessing guns.” According to a Pew Foundation report, “the vast majority of gun owners say that having a gun makes them feel safer. And far more today than in 1999 cite protection—rather than hunting or other activities—as the major reason for why they own guns.”

    9. Denying guns to people under restraining orders saves lives. “Two-thirds of homicides of ex- and current spouses were committed [with] firearms,” the report observes. “In locations where individuals under restraining orders to stay away from current or ex-partners are prohibited from access to firearms, female partner homicide is reduced by 7 percent.”

    10. It isn’t true that most gun acquisitions by criminals can be blamed on a few bad dealers. The report concedes that in 1998, “1,020 of 83,272 federally licensed retailers (1.2 percent) accounted for 57.4 percent of all guns traced by the ATF.” However, “Gun sales are also relatively concentrated; approximately 15 percent of retailers request 80 percent of background checks on gun buyers conducted by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.” Researchers have found that “the share of crime gun traces attributed to these few dealers only slightly exceeded their share of handgun sales, which are almost equally concentrated among a few dealers.” Volume, not laxity, drives the number of ill-fated sales.

    These conclusions don’t line up perfectly with either side’s agenda. That’s a good reason to take them seriously—and to fund additional data collection and research which have been blocked by Congress over politics. Yes, the facts will surprise you. That’s why you should embrace them.
     

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    The problem is the risk free environment the gun grabbers want to impose their socialistic ideals on the people and the freedoms pro gun people want.

    One person injured is too much for the gun grabbers.

    Some gun grabbers just don't want the general population to have the option of owning a guns and the risk they may get mad enough to use them to rebel against the social injustices the liberal leadership wants to impose.

    So these are great numbers to spin for either side, neither will be convened differently though.
     

    Younggun

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    I don't like the government being I charge if these studies.

    The governments agenda WILL leach in to the results.
     

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    9. Denying guns to people under restraining orders saves lives. “Two-thirds of homicides of ex- and current spouses were committed [with] firearms,” the report observes. “In locations where individuals under restraining orders to stay away from current or ex-partners are prohibited from access to firearms, female partner homicide is reduced by 7 percent.”

    As if a piece of paper is going to stop a determined abuser......

    What they didn't reference is the number of women who protected themselves FROM an abuser WITH a gun.....because a piece of paper won't stop a 6'2", 250 pound asshole from kicking down your door.
     

    Mexican_Hippie

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    I'll argue facts and figures when I need to. But the truth is really that those are for folks in the middle, not on far sides of the topic. Of course, those are the hearts and minds we're fighting for right now.

    The bottom line for Progressives is that they want guns gone, period.

    The bottom line for me is that I have rights and freewill given by our Creator; the numbers and the laws of men don't decide my actions. My freedom and that of my children necessarily trump any future oppressive gun laws coming down the pipe.

    Repeat after me...I WILL NOT COMPLY.
     

    ROGER4314

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    There is so much BS and our government is so willing to falsify and warp statistics that a fair assessment is impossible. Considering just three recent examples leads us to the conclusion that our government is not capable of truth nor worthy of trust:

    "92% of Americans no longer favor firearms ownership and now favor stronger gun controls."

    Bloomberg's "Blooming Idiots" listed the Boston bombing brother who was shot by police while shooting and throwing bombs at the cops was listed as a gun homicide. The autopsy actually showed that the subject died from blunt force trauma after being run over by his brother's vehicle!

    Bloomberg stated that current interpretations of our Constitution and Bill of Rights are irrelevant and out of date. He suggests that new interpretations of our Constitutionally guaranteed rights are necessary.


    The three examples are so outrageous in their distortions and Liberal manipulation that they underscore how willing our elected officials are to deceive the public.

    During his latest attack on the Bill of Rights, Obama quoted polls taken by Quinnipiac University that "proved" our citizens favored stronger gun controls and were no longer interested in owning or using firearms. Polls can be used to "prove" anything the Politicians say and they can (and are) manipulated at will.

    We don't hear much from Quinnipiac University lately in the mainstream media and I suspect that Obama commissioned the polls to support his distortions. It goes to show you....Polls can be rigged to support any position.

    As long as our elected officials are willing to lie openly and often, nothing that makes sense will come from Washington.

    I propose a mandatory Federal death penalty for using a firearm in a violent Felony. That would be quick, easy to pass, wouldn't restrict law abiding citizens but, unfortunately, wouldn't apply the CONTROL Liberal Rulers seek over their subjects.

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    Whether 99.9% want "stronger gun controls" or not is irrelevant. It's an individual right, not subject to the whims of any majority no matter how large. Now, if they want to repeal the Second Amendment, thus having the USFG no longer recognizing the right to bear arms, there is a constitutional mechanism for that.
     

    ShootingTheBull

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    I propose a mandatory Federal death penalty for using a firearm in a violent Felony. That would be quick, easy to pass, wouldn't restrict law abiding citizens but, unfortunately, wouldn't apply the CONTROL Liberal Rulers seek over their subjects.
    Um, no thanks.

    Under such a law, if you're convicted by a jury, you'd immediately face the death penalty. Watch the Zimmerman trial, even though lawofselfdefense presents a pretty compelling case that Zimmerman acted within his rights and only used his firearm as a last resort in self defense, he certainly could be convicted by the jury. Even if he's let off of the "murder in the 2nd degree" charge, they could still find him guilty of manslaughter. Even if he shouldn't be convicted, the political expediency of the whole thing has resulted in the state pushing charges. And if he's convicted of the lesser crime of manslaughter, that's a felony. So under your proposal, you would be mandatorily sentenced to death for behaving in a manner that I think most CHL holders would think was appropriate.

    I would not support your proposal. Our legal system is not based on the facts, it's based on who can argue a more convincing story -- and I don't want anybody's life subject to a mandatory death sentence just because the state's lawyer argued better than the defense lawyer...
     

    ROGER4314

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    I understand your point about the mandatory death sentence. You do understand that throughout all of Obama's attacks on our Constitutionally guaranteed rights, not ONE word has addressed criminal behavior, right? In all of this BS coming out of Washington, not a word of it addressed the thug!

    If you don't like my mandatory sentence idea.....how about your ideas about how to charge and sentence a violent thug. I'm fed to Hell up about hearing that the Constitution and Bill of Rights needs to be changed. They have worked just fine for over 200 years! We need to focus on the deeds of the bad guys.

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