Did the execution take place outside or indoors?
I've never been to New York so I don't know...but wouldn't the Empire State Building have metal detectors?
As I posted on another forum:
From what I've gathered
16 shots fired
10 GSW's on Johnson
3 bystanders took direct shots
Other 6 took shrapnel/fragments from
Bullets impacting concrete etc.
Not agreeing or disagreeing on the shoot but IMO it's not right keep saying the cops shot 9 people.
thisYes it is. It's easy to play off hit by fragments, because we're used to them being splash back. It's a different story when you're in front of the bullet that fragmented.
One of my old friends was wounded in Afghanistan this year. He lucked out because the bullet hit the charging handle on his M4, which shattered it, but then the fragments hit his arm. It caused a wound that obliterated the skin on his forearm in a 2" circle, caused muscle, tendon and nerve damage that he may never recover fully from, but they won't know for a year. He had to have a skin graft and spend 3-4 months at Fort Sam because of that. The wound caused him to go into shock, and he got medevac'd. He was hit from a distance of 500-600 meters, which would put the energy left on that bullet down into or at least near handgun territory.
Don't downplay the danger of being hit by fragments. The odds of being killed are low, but it can still cause damage.
IF a CHL holder had that result what would they have said?
Guys....much as I hate NYC gun policies, let's not let that color our thoughts on this. You have a situation in which a shooter has just shot someone, and is leaving the area. You don't know if he's relocating to reload, to shoot others, or what - all you know is that he's armed and has been willing to kill for no apparent reason.
Sorry....but I don't think there's a damned thing they did wrong here. I regret that some rounds went errant - regret the injuries/death - but in my view, there was really very little choice at the point that he turned their direction.
Reverse the roles....put yourself in the shoes of those cops. I would have pulled the trigger - would you?
Yes it is. It's easy to play off hit by fragments, because we're used to them being splash back. It's a different story when you're in front of the bullet that fragmented.
One of my old friends was wounded in Afghanistan this year. He lucked out because the bullet hit the charging handle on his M4, which shattered it, but then the fragments hit his arm. It caused a wound that obliterated the skin on his forearm in a 2" circle, caused muscle, tendon and nerve damage that he may never recover fully from, but they won't know for a year. He had to have a skin graft and spend 3-4 months at Fort Sam because of that. The wound caused him to go into shock, and he got medevac'd. He was hit from a distance of 500-600 meters, which would put the energy left on that bullet down into or at least near handgun territory.
Don't downplay the danger of being hit by fragments. The odds of being killed are low, but it can still cause damage.
I'm not downplaying that fragmentation is not damaging. I'm well aware of the effects of shrapnel and fragmentation, From both a personal and EMS perspective. Simply saying I don't think it's right to say the cops shot 9 people. That's all
Not saying the should not be held accountable either.
Well, what would you call it, then? Because I'd say that a wound caused by a projectile that left the barrel of someone's gun that requires I get medial attention would constitute me being shot. At least, that's what I'd call it. It's also what my friend called it when Haji blew a hole in his arm.
Fragments. If I was working EMS and rolled up on that during triage we would determine who sustained a GSW and had taken fragments or shrapnel, and procede from there with severity.
There is also some talk about the 12Lb New York mandated Glock trigger being a factor.
Perhaps His Royal Majesty Bloomberg should start making it harder for cops to get guns...
Oh man please don't say that. You know that if more incidents like this happen we really WILL turn into London and cops will only be able to carry a club, pepper spray, and a notepad.
Oh man please don't say that. You know that if more incidents like this happen we really WILL turn into London and cops will only be able to carry a club, pepper spray, and a notepad. Don't get me wrong, I love the movie Hot Fuzz, but that's about where I draw the line for my liking of British Police
Here's something to ponder. I know that civies get wounded in crossfire all the time in war zones. But usually that tends to be during major gun battles, right? Let's say that a couple of soldiers were chasing a combatant through the streets and when they got close to him he turned around and pulled a gun. The soldiers then took aim and lit him up like a Christmas tree, killing him but wounding 9 civilians. 1 dead enemy, 9 hurt innocents. Holy crap you know the media would be making a frenzy out of those two soldiers for being careless, neglectful, cold blooded killers. Yet, except for a few headlines on Drudge for about a day, there wasn't really any talk on the police doing this. And the fact that officials said the police handled the situation "well" is nuts. Such double standards the MSM and government officials have. Funny how people can't hear the music unless it's playing a specific tune. If people are going to be retarded and be anti-gun, well it's their right as American citizens to speak out against it (though they have no right to actually take them away). However, if you are going to do that, at least stick stick to your convictions, even if it does mean making a mockery of your precious Bloomberg. At least I could find SOME level of respect for those people. But no, they don't do that, and so therefore I cannot find any ounce of respect for those pansies.
As far as your first point, are you aware of why the police in the UK weren't traditionally armed? Because back when Brits still had spines, if an officer needed that much force, he would summon armed citizens. The police weren't armed because of fears that they would become tools of oppression. True story.